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DAD SHRIEKS AT GRISLY FIND
New York Post ^ | June 25, 2005 | C. J. Sullivan

Posted on 06/25/2005 4:18:48 AM PDT by kcvl

June 25, 2005 -- CAMDEN, N.J. — The father of a missing 6-year-old boy dropped to his knees and let out a blood-curdling scream after opening the trunk of a parked car last night to discover the body of his son and two young friends who had been missing since Wednesday.

The bodies of Jesstin "Manny" Pagan, 5; Daniel "Danny" Agosto, 6; and Anibal Cruz, 11 — who were last seen playing in a yard in this hard-luck suburb of Philadelphia — were found by Danny's father, David Agosto, shortly before 7 p.m. in the maroon Toyota Camry.

"Anibal's father told me that there was a plastic bag over his son's head," Anibal's babysitter, Nancy Santana, told The Post last night.

The death car belongs to Anibal's grandmother and had been parked in the driveway of the family's house throughout the three-day search for the boys in neighboring woodlands and the nearby Delaware River.

Hearing Agosto's anguished screams, family and friends frantically ran from a nearby porch where they had held a vigil hoping for a miracle. The grim discovery echoed across the community.

"This is a moment that the families and the city hoped and prayed we wouldn't have to face," said Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi.

Last night, law enforcement officials declined to elaborate on their investigation, but said they were searching for Angel Martinez, 28, of Camden, as a "person of interest" in the case.

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Sarubbi and Figueroa said the car had been searched on Thursday with a canine unit.

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"We looked in the car on Thursday," an anguished neighbor, who did not want to be identified, told The Post.

"I can't believe we didn't look in the trunk."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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To: bill1952
And dogs are not infallible. They make mistakes every day.

This is correct. Just because a bloodhound is used doesn't mean that it's some magic entity. They have to be properly trained, and even then they have off days.

141 posted on 06/25/2005 6:21:27 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: SunnySide

How about blaming the people rather than the drugs for a refreshing change. The drugs don't hop down anybody's throat or into anybody's veins of their own accord. Somebody has to choose to use them.


142 posted on 06/25/2005 6:23:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: bill1952

"And dogs are not infallible. They make mistakes every day."

This is true. I once worked with a dog trainer. I learned that the dogs can't sniff for long periods at a time. They get tired and their sniffer starts wearing down.



143 posted on 06/25/2005 6:24:03 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: SunnySide
How do we know if the bodies weren't placed in the trunk after it was searched. Scenarios like that have occurred in other crime cases.

Based on the pictures of the area it occurred in, it would seem to be pretty hard to put three bodies in a truck unnoticed

This wasn't out in the middle of nowhere.

144 posted on 06/25/2005 6:24:36 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

"How about blaming the people rather than the drugs for a refreshing change"

How bout you chill out and not jump to the wrong conclusions. I was blaming the people, people who "choose" to use drugs.


145 posted on 06/25/2005 6:25:38 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Maria S

the issue is the size and strength, including of the lungs, of an 11 year old, not the condition of the mind.


146 posted on 06/25/2005 6:27:06 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: mabelkitty

"Since he was the biological father, I never thought it was him myself. Very rare."

Not in todays world. Remember the case that just occurred a month ago in Illinois. The biological father killed his own daughter and her friend in the park because she took money from her mothers purse. IMO these people are worst case scenario degenerates.


147 posted on 06/25/2005 6:32:29 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Popman
This wasn't out in the middle of nowhere.

But possibly a place where the neighbors survive by "not noticing." Why let on to the authorities only to get viciously retaliated upon.

148 posted on 06/25/2005 6:33:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: kcvl
That was quite a red flag quote.

They should be able to tell if the kids were placed in the trunk AFTER their death easy enough. I imagine their fingerprints would be ALL OVER the inside of that trunk in their struggle to get out.

As for the Bloodhounds not picking up a scent...even I could smell 3 dead bodies a mile away.

sw

149 posted on 06/25/2005 6:33:52 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: All

Oh, in case anyone's interested, I just chatted with my chief. The car was 30 feet from the house. It's horrible that the father had to be the one to find them. The police chief has a lot of explaining to do.


150 posted on 06/25/2005 6:35:32 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: bill1952
but again, why would you kill the largest and strongest one last in their own yard, when they are all together and the 11 year old could scream loudest? seems like you would get rid of that kid first?

the point is that none of this makes any sense.

how would it be possible that three children could be murdered in a such a short time (that the mom claims) with no one noticing or hearing anything? or if the bodies were in the trunk the entire time during the search, wouldn't that be the FIRST place police would look, like a magnet drawn to an obvious place of confinement for children?

so if there are all these police around the house, how could no one notice someone placing bodies in a vehicle on the property, if it were done after the police arrived?

some lying going around here. smells like a drug related payback.

151 posted on 06/25/2005 6:36:39 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: SunnySide
Right on.

Maybe the boys were "bad" and someone put them in the hot trunk of the car to punish them. Left them in there for 4 hrs (OR MORE) and when they opened it, the poor kids were dead.

sw

152 posted on 06/25/2005 6:37:11 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: wildwood
but again, why would you kill the largest and strongest one last in their own yard

Because he is the most feeble minded one, and is on meds.

153 posted on 06/25/2005 6:45:11 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Judge Roy

The key is the key.


154 posted on 06/25/2005 6:49:56 AM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: LRS

I'm almost certain there is a lever on the left side of the drivers seat which opens the trunk. It is mechanical, not electric. The boys would know how to use it. The bigger question is, if they got into the trunk without a fourth person, how did they close the trunk on themselves? I'm sure it can be done, but it wouldn't be easy.


155 posted on 06/25/2005 6:51:02 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: bill1952

Do you see where that car is? No way in Hell someone could do all that at that time of the day without being seen. The mother was only in the house for a few minutes.


156 posted on 06/25/2005 6:53:32 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Popman

Oh yeah, Florida's got such an excellent track record with missing children.


157 posted on 06/25/2005 6:56:44 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: linkinpunk
Perhaps the kids were not in the trunk when the car was searched on Thursday.
158 posted on 06/25/2005 6:59:00 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: SkyPilot

and I believe the parents noticed the children missing around 5:30 pm. The sun is not so intense then and it was not a really hot day - not much more than 80 deg. I do wonder that they would so quickly be overcome by the heat at that time.

Mrs VS


159 posted on 06/25/2005 7:14:48 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Trust but Verify
The bigger question is, if they got into the trunk without a fourth person, how did they close the trunk on themselves? I'm sure it can be done, but it wouldn't be easy.

Not being familiar with that vehicle, I don't know if there is anything to grab a hold of to pull it closed. I'm leaning towards the accident theory, simply because kids can do some really dumb things (I use my own childhood to remind me of this), and nothing I have seen so far rules an accident out, BUT, the possibilty of outright murder, or, accidental homicide (like a 4th child closing the trunk as a "game"), have not been ruled out...

160 posted on 06/25/2005 7:18:54 AM PDT by LRS
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