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All the societies which are polygamous are also retrograde and virulently patriarchal.

But I do believe the birthrate is much higher in so-called retrograde societies than in our "advanced" society, which has a birthrate below replacement level.

And so the "retrograde" society seems more vital.

And as for a patriarchal society--being a man, I like the idea of men being the leaders, as was the case earlier in America.

If a society led by men seems odd, that is only because modern men have not been brought up to lead, but have instead been brainwashed to share leadership with women.

"If a society led by men seems odd, that is only because modern men have not been brought up to lead, but have instead been brainwashed to share leadership with women."

Or maybe we are not all misogynist jerks. And Rousseau was an idiot.

If a society led by men seems odd, that is only because modern men have not been brought up to lead, but have instead been brainwashed to share leadership with women.

To a point, I agree with that statement. However, men cannot absolve themselves of complicity when to a great extent centuries of their "leadership" focused on their own self-interests and categorized women as possessions, which is a glaring characteristic of polygamy - you can have as many wives as you can "financially afford." Frankly, if men object to the attitudes and actions of women today, they have only themselves to blame. It is simply the result of centuries of mistreatment, in many cases abominably using God as the justification - treated as property, a non-person under the law, traded like cattle, executed for a baby's gender, persecuted and murdered for being victims of rape and, currently in the news, cases like Mukhtaran, given as settlement of legal disputes. I am a Christian but there are times when I see religious men preach "love thy neighbor as thyself" but fail to comprehend the application of that to even one wife. Yet, they are quick as a cat to jump on a perverse interpretation of "head of the household" because that justifies, in their own minds, their self-centered "leadership."

That same concept of leadership existed between King George and the colonists, which prompted a Revolution.

But I do believe the birthrate is much higher in so-called retrograde societies than in our "advanced" society, which has a birthrate below replacement level.

And so the "retrograde" society seems more vital.

I remember you specifically railing against overpopulation on FR. And now all of a sudden YOU are complaining about low birthrates?