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Sorry I can't do more than a hit and run post today, but I wanted to post my impressions of last night's news for anyone who didn't get to watch either Hannity and Colmes or Greta's show:

(And please forgive if this information has been posted earlier -- no time today for me to read through previous posts).

First, Hannity and Colmes had a couple of voice stress analyzer people as guests on the show. Apparently these guys have been invited to Aruba (by prosecutors?) to use their equipment,

They demonstrated the program on their laptop, using an audioclip from Greta's sit-down with the van der Sloots the other night.

According to them, their analysis of the portion of the audio that was available showed
(a) that Paulus van der Sloot was being honest when he answered that he believed his son's story
(b) that Mr. vdS was honest when he expressed confidence his son would be exonerated
and (c) that Mr. van der Sloot did show evidence of stress and concern over the effect the intense pressure of interrogation might have on his son.

I was hoping either Rich Lowry (substituting for Hannity) or Alan Colmes would get a chance to ask questions about the track record of this equipment, but the segment was very short and I don't think this got addressed.

One other guest on H & C, Mark Fuhrman, mainly focused his comments on the lack of evidence gathering early-on by the Aruban police, and decried that at length. Toward the end of that segment, Fuhrman indicated that the timeline for Joran (i.e., trying to figure out if Joran could possibly have had time to murder and dispose of the body) was very difficult.

(According to an Aruban reporter Greta spoke to a couple of nights ago, Joran WAS on the school bus at 6:40 am the morning of Natalee's disappearence, and he did take his final exams that day. According to that reporter, he "aced" his finals.)

Second, on Greta's show she interviewed an Aruban man, Charles Croes, who apparently had been enlisted by the Holloway-Twittys to help them find Joran (I wasn't too clear on the connection since I missed the first part of the interview).

This Mr. Croes (apparently no relation to Steve Croes, the party boat guy) helped the Holloway-Twittys figure out who Joran was and where he lived, then accompanied them to the vdS home.

Charles Croes ended up being an eyewitness to the 3 am confrontation of the Holloway-Twittys with Mr. vdS and Joran outside the vdS home -- just after the H-Ts had arrived in Aruba. This was the first meeting of the H-Ts with Mr. vdS and Joran.

Greta asked him about Joran's demeanor during this confrontation. He said Joran seemed nervous but also very concerned about Natalee and that he volunteered to the Holloway-Twittys several times to do whatever he could to help them find Natalee.

Greta also asked Croes if Mr. vdS had told Joran to be quiet. Croes answered that Mr. vdS had told Joran to answer questions only from the police, not from any other people there (apparently there was quite a crowd).

Another question from Greta was whether Joran had discussed at all what Natalee's condition was when he last saw her. He said yes, that Joran had said Natalee was both drunk and had been taking drugs.

She then asked whether Joran admitted to having been drunk and taking drugs too. Croes responded that Joran admitted to having drunk that night. He said Joran also admitted he'd had sex with Natalee.

Also, the matter of where Natalee and Joran had first met came up. I don't remember Croes's answer exactly, but he did say that Joran's story was that they were together in a casino and that Natalee had told Joran she'd lost money gambling. Croes said that Joran was very skilled at poker or blackjack and that Joran then had helped Natalee "recoup" her money.

Croes continued that after they left the casino, when both Joran and Natalee ended up at Carlos and Charlies bar, that Joran said Natalee was dancing with him "very provocatively" and that she was acting "crazy." And that she had asked him for a ride home.

When asked when he last saw Natalee, Joran's story at the point was that he had dropped her off at her hotel.

The last thing I remember from Greta's interview with Charles Croes is that Greta asked him if he was under the impression that either Mr. vdS or Joran seemed to know that Natalee was missing, at that first meeting with the Holloway-Twittys. Croes said no, he didn't think they did.

OK, that's it for me for today. (Sorry I won't be able to answer replies today, just too busy. Hope and pray that by the time I come back, Natalee will have been found.)

4,979 posted on 06/30/2005 7:43:10 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: gingersnaps
Second, on Greta's show she interviewed an Aruban man, Charles Croes, who apparently had been enlisted by the Holloway-Twittys to help them find Joran (I wasn't too clear on the connection since I missed the first part of the interview)

As an aside, Croes consistently mis-pronounced Joran's first name...ending it with an "m". Greta then seemed to say Joran's name more times than necessary, and to over-pronounce the "n", in order to get him to correct himself, which he never did.

4,986 posted on 06/30/2005 7:50:20 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: gingersnaps

Excellent rehash of last night's events. Thank you!


4,994 posted on 06/30/2005 8:02:00 AM PDT by hershey
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To: gingersnaps
Thanks for your roundup of the shows, which I was unable to see last night!

Greta asked him if he was under the impression that either Mr. vdS or Joran seemed to know that Natalee was missing, at that first meeting with the Holloway-Twittys. Croes said no, he didn't think they did.

This really is an important point.

5,068 posted on 06/30/2005 3:24:49 PM PDT by Yaelle
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