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To: brigette; USF; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
They way I see it PVDS to me is more a suspect than the brothers are. He is at the same level as Joran.

Apples don't usually fall too far from the tree.

Very good sleuthing. I have only lurked on this thread and haven't posted yet, but there is a angle that hasn't been mentioned (or if it has, I missed it).

First, let me say that Aruba is known for being owned by organized crime. It is close to Colombia and is an excellent place to launder drug money. I have heard the hotels are a front for laundering drug cash. In fact, the whole island has been associated with piracy for hundreds of years.

Secondly, on a small island like Aruba, where everyone knows everyone else and where, possibly, there are certain people that have illegal as well as legal doings...there is one thing the islanders don't talk about. They don't talk about the people who can get them killed. It is the proverbial elephant in the living room, the crazy aunt or alcoholic mother.

Thirdly, if the island is owned in part by organized crime money, it is controlled entirely by that financial interest. If the mob buys a minority interest in your company, they expect to behave and be treated like the majority shareholder.

Fourth (and most interesting of all)...we don't really know that Natalee was taken to the beach. That's what all the kids say...but they have all lied and their motives for lying have been mysterious. What if the motive of all their lies was to hide a truth that, if revealed, would have even greater consequence than the murder of an American touriste. And, if they were also lying about going to the beach. What are they trying to hide. What if the motive for lying is to cover for something and someone else. For example, I am beginning to wonder if Joren and the brothers (or without the brothers) might have taken Nat to a private home for a "rave." This home might have been owned by a friend of Joren's. At raves, ectasy and rohypnol are often present. Either, Nat was drugged and resisted...or OD'd...or got angry because drugs were being done or simply because of Joren's unwanted advances. Whatever, she got angry (which by the way is a side effect of Rohypnol) and someone took care of her. Whatever did happen, she was killed or sold...she was removed so she couldn't name names.

Fifth...the trail ends here. Except that Aruba is an island in the stream of drugs to America and Europe and also in the stream of money returning from the sale of those drugs.

As a resort of Dutch origin (where drugs are either legal or a blind eye is turned), it is the perfect place for a world of drugs to exist. Drug cash owns the hotels, the important real estate, the ports, the police and the lawyers...and the judicial system.

The real owners of Aruba will not be named...if they are somehow involved (if only because Nat died or saw too much at the home of a minion), everyone is going to lie just because that is what is done (if you want to live and you want your family to live).

4,575 posted on 06/29/2005 4:18:13 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
everyone is going to lie just because that is what is done (if you want to live and you want your family to live).

I've wondered the same thing.
What incentive is there to tell the truth without witness protection?

4,579 posted on 06/29/2005 4:28:25 PM PDT by b9
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To: Dark Skies

I believe you are right on the money - and put it so well. Otherwise,why in the world would these guys not have talked yet and why in the world have the citizens of Aruba been so quiet.


4,581 posted on 06/29/2005 4:42:11 PM PDT by kcat
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To: Dark Skies

I think you've hit the bullseye. I've been ranting about this incompetent investigation for days, especially when they let PVDS out of jail. Your theory at least EXPLAINS the reason for the so-called incompetence in this circus of an investigation.


4,587 posted on 06/29/2005 4:50:59 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Dark Skies

Excellent post.


4,595 posted on 06/29/2005 5:05:44 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Dark Skies

You may have hit it. At least close to the truth. It's seemed to me all along that the authorities were more concerned about hiding things than helping the Holloway investigation. As though they were more frightened by what they did know than by what they did not.


5,031 posted on 06/30/2005 8:47:53 AM PDT by twigs
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Your analysis in 4575 HAS dark skies. It's eerie. Yikes


5,043 posted on 06/30/2005 9:55:52 AM PDT by Gracey
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