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To: maggiefluffs; TexKat
That was interesting - if PVDS is a sitting judge then he knows the laws well. I just wonder if the brothers "feared" this judge and that things will change now that he is also in Jail. (again I don't think the brothers are in as deep as Joran is and they may know she is dead but they don't know what he did with her body.)

You have to think about being a kid on a small island and being a friend of a punk a$$ kid that gets away with a bunch of crap on the island and this kid's father is sitting judge training to be a full time judge for Aruba. Just how much one threat from this punk a$$ kid might carry in another kids mind or could have been a direct threat from PVDS directly to the brothers if he was there helping Joran clean it up.

There is no way they would have ever dreamed that case would get this big and into the public eye like it has.
336 posted on 06/23/2005 5:47:33 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: brigette; TexKat

Translation from arubagirl:

ORANJESTAD — Plaatsvervangend lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba, Paul van der Sloot, vader van Joran van der Sloot (17), is vanmiddag iets na twee uur lokale tijd gearresteerd. Zo bevestigt politiewoordvoerder Jan van der Straten. Hij wordt in verband gebracht met de verdwijning op Aruba van Natalee Holloway. De vader was de afgelopen dagen al eerder door de politie ondervraagd. Ook mocht hij zijn zoon – die nu twee weken vast zit – niet bezoeken in de gevangenis.

Temporary member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, Paul van der Sloot [same Court is now denying that he is a member, by the way], father of Joran van der Sloot (17), has been arrested today a little over 2 pm local time. This has been confirmed by police spokesperson, Jan van der Straten. He is being linked to the disappearance on Aruba of Natalee Holloway. The father was already questioned the last few days by the police. He was also not allowed to see his son-who has now been detaned for two weeks-in jail.

De familie van Natalee Holloway heeft de beloning voor de gouden tip die leidt tot Natalees veilige terugkeer verhoogd tot 150.000 dollar. Eerder werd er 35.000 dollar uitgeloofd, later werd dat verhoogd tot 50.000 dollar. Voor de beloning is intussen een speciale Reward and Recovery Trust gevormd bij de Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, Alabama.

The family of Natalee Hollow has increased the rewared for the golden tip that leads to Natalee's safe return to 150.000 dollars. Earlier a reward of 35.000 dollars had been offered, later that was increased to 50.0000 dollars. A special Reward and Recovery Trust was formed for the reward by the Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, Alabama.


VERSCHILLENDE VERSIES

Volgens de politie verandert de zeventienjarige verdachte Joran van der Sloot steeds zijn versie van wat er op de avond van Natalee Holloways verdwijning gebeurde. De politie verhoort de vier vastzittende verdachten regelmatig en zegt daarnaast ook nog steeds getuigen te verhoren. Wat de echte toedracht is en wat er met de Amerikaanse scholiere is gebeurd, blijft echter nog steeds gissen.

DIFFERENT VERSIONS

According to the police 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot keeps changing his version of what happened on the night that the disapperance of Natalee Holloway occured. The politie regulary interrogates the four detained supsects and additionally says that there are still witnesses to interrogate. What the true story is and what happened with the American schoolgirl, is still guesswork.

Het verhoor van de verdachte jongemannen gebeurt meestal in koppels van twee agenten. Ook worden er confrontaties gehouden, waarbij twee of meer verdachten aanwezig zijn en met elkaars tegengestelde versies worden geconfronteerd.

The interrogation of the suspected young men usually occurs in teams of two agents. Confrontatations are also held, where two or more suspects are present and are confronted with their opposing stories.

Het is niet de eerste keer dat Van der Sloot zijn versie van het verhaal verandert. In eerste instantie vertelden alle drie de jongens, toen nog als getuigen, aan de politie dat zij met Holloway naar de vuurtoren zijn gereden en naar Arashi en haar daarna bij het Holiday Inn hebben afgezet. Dit verhaal veranderde toen zij werden aangehouden. Holloway en Van der Sloot zouden bij de Fisherman’s Huts zijn afgezet en de twee broers Satish en Deepak Kalpoe zouden daarna naar huis zijn gegaan.

This is not the first time that van der Sloot changes his version of the story. In the first place all three boys, then still witnesses, told the police that they drove with Holloway to the lighthouse and then to Arashi and dropped her afterwards at the Holiday Inn. This story changed when they were detained. Holloway and van der Sloot alllegedly would have been dropped off at Fisherman's Huts and the two brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpe allegedly would have gone home.



KLACHTEN ADVOCATEN

Advocaten klagen ondertussen dat zij niet alle stukken krijgen. Rudy Oomen, advocaat van Deepak Kalpoe: “Men doet er alles aan om mij het werken zo moeilijk mogelijk te maken. Ik moet steeds druk uitoefenen en dreigen met een procedure om stukken te krijgen.” Ook advocaat Anthony Carlo, die samen met Ariean de Bie en Richie Kock de 17-jarige Joran van der Sloot verdedigt, bevestigt dit beeld. Het advocatenteam heeft een verzoek ingediend om bij de verhoren van Van der Sloot aanwezig te mogen zijn. Carlo: “Volgens het Wetboek van Strafvordering mag de verdediging bij de verhoren aanwezig zijn nadat de verdachte door de rechter-commissaris is gehoord.” De rechter-commissaris interpreteert dit artikel echter anders. Het verzoek werd gisteren door de rechter-commissaris afgewezen.

COMPLAINTS BY LAWYERS

In the meantime lawyers are complaining that they are not getting all documents. Rudy Oomen, lawyer of Deepak Kalpoe: Everything is being done to make my work as difficult as possible. I have to constantly put pressure and threaten with court cases to get the documents. Also Anthony Carlo, who defends 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot together with Arieaan de Bie and Richie Kock, confirms this view. The lawyer team has entered a request to be present at the interrogation of van der Sloot. Carlo:" According to the Book of Criminal Law is the defense allowed to be present at the interrogation after the suspect has been interrogated by the Judge of Instructions". The Judge of Instructions, however, interpreted this article differently. The request has been denied yesterday by the Judge of Instructions.

De vader van Joran mag zijn zoon al een aantal dagen niet meer bezoeken, nadat een bezwaarschriftprocedure hierover in eerste instantie in het voordeel van de vader was gewonnen. Paul van der Sloot gaat tegen deze beslissing van de rechter-commissaris niet in hoger beroep, ook al zou hij zijn minderjarige zoon graag bezoeken. Advocaat Carlo: “Hij wil niet dat zijn positie de aandacht afleidt van de zaak.”


The father of Joran isn't allowed to visit his for a few days already, after a courtcase about this issue had been won in favor of the father. Paul van der Sloot is not going to appeal this decision of the judge of instructions, even though he would love to visit his underage son. Lawyer Carlo: "He doesn't want that his position would detract attention from this case."

De drie jonge verdachten worden waarschijnlijk morgen weer voor de rechter-commissaris geleid. Het OM zal dan om verlenging van hun bewaring vragen. Van de vierde verdachte, de 26-jarige dj Steve Croes, loopt de inverzekeringstelling zondag af. Als het OM hem langer vast zal willen houden zal het verzoek tot ‘inbewaringstelling’ waarschijnlijk ook morgen worden voorgelegd aan de rechter-commissaris. Rechter Bob Wit zal niet degene zijn die deze rol vervult, aangezien hij deze week is begonnen met zijn nieuwe taak als rechter aan het Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad.

The three young suspects will probably be brought before the judge of instructions tomorrow. The JD will then ask again for prolonging of their detention. On the fourth suspect, 26-year-old dj Seve Croes, the detention period will expire Sunday. If the JD wants to keep him detained longer, then the petition to "iplace in custody" [my mom is getting the dictionary, hold on] will also be probably be put to the judge of instructions tomorrow. Judge Bob Wit will not be the one who is in charge of this role, seeing that he has just started this week with his new job as judge on the Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad.
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338 posted on 06/23/2005 5:54:13 PM PDT by maggief
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To: TexKat; maggiefluffs

If there is never a body found then convicting any of them will be very hard. PVDS would know this and he probably knew to make sure they got rid of her body and everything would blow over. The story about the security guards might have been dreamed up by the father and he may have told the boys to say it. I just keep thinking that there was a meeting between all 3 boys and the father. The boys would be included because Joran might have called Deepak first (one hour after Deepak drop them at the beach). The father may have come into the picture during the panic, either they took Natalee to Joran house or they stashed her body on the beach and drove back to Joran's house to wake his father up. However it went down I really believe the father helped get rid of her body.

Pushing Joran to school on Monday would have been his fathers idea so that everything seemed normal in Joran's life.

If they all keep quiet then there won't be anyone convicted unless they find some hard evidence (like her body or a crime scene with her DNA all over it).

I just hope that the brother played no part in killing her and that they start telling everything they know and quit covering for Joran now that his father is in jail. They also may know what happened to Natalee's body and they may feel that Joran will walk free, so they are still keeping tight lipped.


342 posted on 06/23/2005 6:00:40 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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