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It is very important that we know PVDS had seen and may have had verbal contact with Natalee and Joran inside the HI Casino Bar.

So it is not like PVDS had never seen her before. Now we know he did see her (possibly with his son) and he may have talked to both of them inside the casino.


1,362 posted on 06/25/2005 9:08:22 AM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: brigette

I am confused, can you help? Where did that information come from...I keep looking back and I can only find your mention of learning it, not from where. It would be frightening if PvdS did meet her, of cours, but if he just "saw" her there that would not seem so suspicious. You are right, could be significant, if meeting Natalee is true! Who reported that?


1,365 posted on 06/25/2005 9:12:51 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: maggiefluffs

Another thing I don't buy into is that Joran had a curfew when Mommy was in Holland. Joran may have been out and about again at 3:00am Tuesday morning when his Father tried to call him and told the group (twitty's & police) at the VDS home that he was at the casino.

Some people think Joran was in his apartment (which is on the VDS property) at 3:00am Tuesday and that Daddy lied and said he was at the casino and sent everyone off to the casino to look for him. This might be the conflict and one reason why the father has been arrested. How can the father say he snuck out after 11pm on Sunday (Monday morning) but then pretend to call Joran at 3:00am in the morning on Tuesday and say he is at a Casino. We know taht PVDS told the Twitty's and the police that JVDS was at a Casino tuesday morning.

There is no video of Joran being at the Casino at 3am on Tuesday. So this may be why Beth thinks Natalee was there at 3:00am on Tuesday. Maybe she thinks they were buying time to stash her body better on the VDS property, in the event police demanded to search the home that night.

the point is if Daddy says Joran had a curfew, then why would Daddy say he was at the casino when the twitty's and police showed up at 3am on Tuesday.

Did Daddy really pick Joran up at McD's on Sunday night at 11pm or was Joran allowed to come and go as he pleased while Mommy was away? Did Daddy make up the 11pm pick-up to cover his own arse?


1,371 posted on 06/25/2005 9:20:17 AM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: brigette
It is very important that we know PVDS had seen and may have had verbal contact with Natalee and Joran inside the HI Casino Bar.

This is starting to sound like a Teddy Kennedy / William Kennedy Smith night out.

1,538 posted on 06/25/2005 11:32:12 AM PDT by Yaelle
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