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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

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To: Palladin

Interesting view on expats. Makes sense though.


921 posted on 06/24/2005 3:36:39 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: spectre
But, I can't figure out why Paulus would have a Premeditation charge against him? Unless he engineered the whole scheme to get rid of her or her body?

In the U.S., such engineering would trigger the charge of "accessory after the fact."

922 posted on 06/24/2005 3:37:08 PM PDT by Dark Skies (F**k Allah!)
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To: bonfire
We know nothing...LOL!
923 posted on 06/24/2005 3:37:20 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: spectre
Premeditation to me is, he planned to kill her& & did.
924 posted on 06/24/2005 3:37:27 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: hershey

I think you are correct about the lethal drug reaction during a rape, but to properly dispose of a body you need three things: a place, a plan and time. I do not think Deepak and Satish were around when she died. I think Joran was by himself at the Fisherman's Huts. My guess is he ran about 3 clicks to his house and told his dad what happened in full panic. After some conjecture, his dad helped him move the body back to the Sloot house. This move gives them the time to develop a plan and place for the body. Joran uses Steve Croes boat to dump the body the next evening within 2 miles west of Arashi beach... the currents and winds will move the body out to sea. When the Holloway family and friends showed late that night, the PvdS tried to create the Casino alibi not knowing how the plan ahd panned out. Joran returned to the house as Pvds lead the family on a tense goose chase.


925 posted on 06/24/2005 3:38:16 PM PDT by Big Jake
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To: the Deejay

Premeditation could mean they know GHB or Roofies were used. (Something tells me they found GHB or Roofies in VDS home or in Joran's "pad".)


926 posted on 06/24/2005 3:39:43 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: Dark Skies

Oh...So I still can't figure out the "premeditation" role Paulus VDS is alledged to have played? Can you?


927 posted on 06/24/2005 3:40:40 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: the Deejay

That's what is suggests to me too but maybe in Aruba the meaning is different.


I don't want to know that the Mr.VDS killed her. i don't think my brain could deal with it.


928 posted on 06/24/2005 3:41:29 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: the Deejay

Oh dear...oh no...


929 posted on 06/24/2005 3:42:25 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Big Jake

Wonder what wild Venezuelan nights this 15 year old is talking about?


930 posted on 06/24/2005 3:42:26 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: bonfire

Oh gawd, the thought of it just made me sick..I hope not.


931 posted on 06/24/2005 3:44:36 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: spectre
No, I can't either...it conjures up much darker stuff. Was Papa part of the boys party life?

I would have otherwise thought he was helping the kids dispose of the body (and the evidence...without a body or a witness, it is circumstantial case...at least in the U.S.).

But life is stranger than fiction.

932 posted on 06/24/2005 3:45:39 PM PDT by Dark Skies (F**k Allah!)
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To: spectre

I can't make myself post what Daddy's premeditation might mean. If he hurt her in any way I hope the authorities let Nat's Dad in alone with him.


933 posted on 06/24/2005 3:46:16 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Big Jake

This is sort of what I am thinking, except--here's where premeditation comes in for the father: Joran rapes Natalee and leaves her in a comatose state on the beach, either from suffocation or strangulation. Joran gets his father to come down, put her in VDS car, and take her to the house. How to clean upthe mess? Can't take her to Emergency Room without bringing down the whole VDS family.

Father advises to kill her and dispose of body. Method of murder? Complete the strangulation? Call Croese and inject an OD of heroin or other drug? Method of disposal: Croese,for a hefty fee, takes the body in a boat out to the Northern point and feeds it to the sharks.


934 posted on 06/24/2005 3:46:29 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: spectre

tres cervesas por favor!!! ...and bring a scotch for the little kid!!


935 posted on 06/24/2005 3:48:02 PM PDT by Big Jake
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To: spectre; bonfire
LOL! This is what I'm not sure of, if Premeditation means the same there as it does here.

Abrams didn't ask, did he? And just assumed it means the same there as here.

936 posted on 06/24/2005 3:48:49 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Palladin

I wonder how Beth Holloway 'KNOWS' Natalee was at their house at 3am.......is there a witness that she uncovered during her house-to-house visits?


937 posted on 06/24/2005 3:48:55 PM PDT by Carolinamom (After 9/11 conservatives prepared to fight terrorism; liberals, counseling and negotiation.)
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To: spectre

I am amazed that you have not felt that Daddy VDS is a freaken pervert. He has that nerdy sick pervert look written all over his face. Think of Joran as being Daddy VDS's alter ego. You gotta know that Daddy was was encouraging Joran's habits. Daddy and Joran hung out together at the casinos.

Time to go make some dinner...


938 posted on 06/24/2005 3:49:07 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: Dark Skies; bonfire
Let's try this scenerio:

Joran is holding Natalee, and tells his Daddy that Natalee is going to report him for rape...which wouldn't do since Paulus is up for a judgeship. Daddy panicks and they kill Natalee just so she won't talk..

There are some blanks that need to be filled in, but it could be something along those lines?

939 posted on 06/24/2005 3:50:19 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: spectre

Close to what I'm thinking too. They panicked and killed her to save their butts. So how do the brothers fit in here? THink they are now telling the truth with their latest story?


940 posted on 06/24/2005 3:51:49 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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