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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

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To: brigette

Brigette, you cease to amaze me with your intell/insight. NSNR


3,341 posted on 06/28/2005 6:01:05 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: the Deejay

Damn right!!!!! NSNR


3,342 posted on 06/28/2005 6:04:52 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: kcvl
"NO ONE sweats like that unless they are afraid of something."

Agreed, but I have to entertain the notion that "the van der Sweat" was a result of "concern for his Son."

-Even though he LOOKS like an egg suckin' dog.(to me)

3,343 posted on 06/28/2005 6:06:34 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: kcvl; brigette
Good morning, kcvl. I'm hoping you've been reading some interesting information about the cell phone providers in Aruba. There's some good info that should be passed on to the family. Start at brigette's post #3294.

On O'Reilly last night, Greta said the cell phone & text message records were what is needed to help break this case. Knowing the locations of where JVDS was when he called the Kalpoes is key and knowing what he text messaged them is extremely important too.

After the spokesperson from the prosecutions office told Greta that the family may ask and be granted some communication from the prosecutions office, it sounded like that will be what Beth tries to do today. Beth was on Fox & Friends this morning and is SOOOO frustrated that she doesn't have a clue about where the authorities are in the investigation. I'm wondering if Beth has asked the FBI about those cell records? Let's hope that today is the day Natalee will be found.

Please keep us posted & our prayers are with all of you.

3,344 posted on 06/28/2005 6:10:50 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: Capn TrVth
The only "evidence" in hand as of yet:

"The van der Sweat"


Wrong! The fact that JvdS was last seen with her is evidence. The fact that he and the others lied is very strong evidence. Those are but two pieces.
3,345 posted on 06/28/2005 6:11:42 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: kcvl
NO ONE sweats like that unless they are afraid of something. Ask any police officer or detective who deals with criminals. That is one of the first signs of someone lying. They are pouring sweat just like PVDS. I have seen it myself. It's not a little sweat, it's pouring especially from the face and head. If his wife had to get him towels to wipe it up that is very telling.

I saw the interview too when he was sweating so profusely. There was a particular rivulet that ran from the hairline all the way down to the eye, while the camera was doing a close-up of him. I was fascinated to watch it slowly flow, it seemed to be as wide as my little finger.

3,346 posted on 06/28/2005 6:13:20 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: presently no screen name

Pacifist liberal democrats, crack-heads, Psychopaths-R-Us and the rest of the criminal malcontents attending college. NSNR


3,347 posted on 06/28/2005 6:17:56 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: GarySpFc; Capn TrVth
Wrong! The fact that JvdS was last seen with her is evidence. The fact that he and the others lied is very strong evidence. Those are but two pieces.

Circumstantial evidence has a way of accumulating. Joran admits being the last one to see Natalee before her disappearance. He has been caught in numerous lies and is evidently not answering all the investigator's questions.

PVDS's behavior towards Beth & Jug is most incriminating, IMO. When PVDS repeatedly kept telling Joran to shut up and not say anything and told the Twitty's, "You're not in America", when they were asking them questions, reeks of a cover-up. Rather than being helpful, his behavior wasn't normal. In fact, he was down right hostile and arrogant (Joran too).

Then, his demeanor completely changed when Beth & Greta went to the VDS house. PVDS could hardly communicate except for his profuse sweating. Beth picked up on his strange behavior and evidently has even more suspicions & information she is not sharing with the public.

Sounds like circumstantial evidence won't win a conviction in Aruba like it can in the U.S., but my gut is screaming the VDSs are guilty as hell. It makes getting those cell & text message records and finding Natalee's body imperative.

3,348 posted on 06/28/2005 6:31:08 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Maybe someone will remember those words when Joran gets out of jail free and comes to America to attend college.

I don't believe that young Joran will be attending college in the U.S. any longer. I'm sure this family will hightail it back to Holland if they get away with this. Joran will have to find a Euro-party-school instead.

3,349 posted on 06/28/2005 6:31:41 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: kcvl

Dry mouth, constantly swallowing, hand wringing, irregular breathing pattern, sighs, shifting eyes, and clasping hands together to maintain an appearance of conformity. Remember the glasses of ice water? PVDS needed his water for his guilt thirst. Kevl, I just wanted to add a few more indicators of a (lying perp). NSNR


3,350 posted on 06/28/2005 6:36:38 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Quilla

Hey Quilla, just ask Al Gore he is the expert. Metabolism speeds up when dicussing information one feels thoroughly uncomfortable with knowing they might get caught lying(guilt)sweating profusely. Normal? PVSD would have been inclimated to the Island tropics along time ago. Why would he be sweating so much if not lying? He is, was and will continue to lie. How are things in Dothan? NSNR


3,351 posted on 06/28/2005 6:51:46 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: brigette

{They also showed a driver in the water - I just did not take a picture of it.}

The driver in the water...? Was it Teddy?


3,352 posted on 06/28/2005 6:54:26 AM PDT by truthluva
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

He will fit right in with the Euro-trash. Damn! "It's an American thing, They sure as hell will never understand." NSNR


3,353 posted on 06/28/2005 6:57:59 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Quilla
Profuse sweating is a symptom of anxiety.

I think that it is fair to say that PVDS was in a stressful situation regardless. And it is possible that he has an underlying anxiety disorder. In any case, there are other possible explanations other than ''He was lying.''

Anxiety symptoms: For no apparent reason you break into hot or cold sweats. You may also experience hot flashes or excessive sweating for no reason. These sweating periods are more frequent and uncontrollable when under stress or in stressful or important situations such as family gatherings, business meetings, or social situations.

3,354 posted on 06/28/2005 6:59:20 AM PDT by elli1
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
"...... except that Aruba is not a third world country."

Soon, it will be.

3,355 posted on 06/28/2005 6:59:36 AM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: MAWG

Per my post # 3321, I'm in complete agreement there.


3,356 posted on 06/28/2005 7:01:51 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: demkicker

Rather than being helpful, his behavior wasn't normal.

You're probably correct. If eleven horn-honking, perturbed people showed up outside my house at 3 a.m. & demanded to speak to my 17 YO son, they'd have been greeted with Ole' Bess.

3,357 posted on 06/28/2005 7:04:23 AM PDT by elli1
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Hiya NSNR. I agree with you and Beth Twitty, the man in lying through his teeth. Visitaruba.com provides the following:

Aruba is situated 12 degrees 30' north of the equator. The climate is tropical but not extreme, with a median and practically constant temperature of 82 degrees Fahrenheit (28 degrees Celsius).

You're right, he should be used to the tropical climate that in no way resembles the expected 90 degree, humid as all get out day we're having in Dothan.

3,358 posted on 06/28/2005 7:06:44 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: maggiefluffs

Thanks for that report maggiefluffs.


3,359 posted on 06/28/2005 7:07:50 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggiefluffs
This report comes from a very reliable and objective source in Aruba.

Uh, ok!!

3,360 posted on 06/28/2005 7:09:21 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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