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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

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To: bluepistolero

Thanks, and how did you derive the handle "bluepistolero?" NSNR


1,281 posted on 06/25/2005 4:58:19 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: xsmommy

Plus did you hear what they were singing? Stayin' alive and then Jailhouse Rock. Nite before last, someone said on another site that they were playing "Girls just Wanta Have Fun". You have to wonder.

I wish they would interview elsewhere,,the tropical winds and the music are just so sureal. I know that family, walking around that resort, must feel so weird.


1,282 posted on 06/25/2005 5:01:09 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: hummingbird

A sane and reasonable person can see the truth always hurts the hysterical liberal commie democraps. NSNR


1,283 posted on 06/25/2005 5:02:42 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Queen Jadis

Queen Jadis, just another one of the ulterior hate America tropical island paradise's. One thing they love, our money and apparently our naive women.

The three POS, thought the (2) security guards(Bro's) would be good for the rap as to the social stratification order in Aruba. If in doubt, pin it on a person(s) to whom the island hiearchy mentality feels most comfortable with as the perp(s)

I am glad to see those two innocent men released and the real perps put on the spit for some roasting.

Aruba will never see one American cent from my pocket, or be graced by my presence.

I believe if the Aruban autorities had adopted a far more agressive investigative posture (the cowboy way) this case may have been solved and possibly a life saved.

Under the Dutch Law, we will never see the punishment for the crime committed to be synonomous. NSNR


1,284 posted on 06/25/2005 5:23:08 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: cajungirl
gosh, no. how horrible. i hadn't made out what they were singing, i was just annoyed by the music in general. i was even irked by Sean's billy graham background crowd noise.

you're right, it must be bizarre for that poor family to see everything going on, as is the norm, sun, fun, etc.

1,285 posted on 06/25/2005 5:23:33 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

When I heard "Stayin Alive" in the background, I thought I had gone over an edge until someone else said they heard it.


1,286 posted on 06/25/2005 5:26:17 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: sarasota
Jug also said they don't get Fox down there and in fact he told the FBI about some of the things he's heard.

Thanks, sarasota, I've been wondering about that, especially after seeing Jug & Beth interviewed on CNN and them saying something about watching CNN!

Wonder why Fox News hasn't broken into that market? I've been so frustrated the last couple of years when vacationing in Costa Rica & Roatan (Honduras). Both trips, I had to go through Fox News withdrawal and refrain from throwing things at the t.v. while getting the worst anti-American propaganda news from CNN I've ever seen. We all bitch about CNN here in the states. You ain't seen nuthin' until you see the garbage CNN calls 'news' when you're out of the country. You may know this already, but I had to get it off my chest!

1,287 posted on 06/25/2005 5:30:30 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: spectre
Joran was keenly aware that his father was in the justice system, and that he would be ruined if Joran had a dead girl on his hands. In a way, it was...blackmail. Of course none of them intended to kill her, but the cover up is the biggest sin, IMHO.

I think you're right. Joran knew daddy would help him since daddy's life was all about his work. Too bad PvdS was so wrapped up in his career that he didn't realize his son was out of control.

The sins of the son are spotlighting the bigger sins of the father, who, especially as a jurist, should have known better.

1,288 posted on 06/25/2005 5:44:01 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: brigette; TexKat; Howlin
greta... Natalie meet (saw) both PVDS and JVDS at the casino that Sunday.

Big bump on that post, brigette.

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Just heard on FOX ... NO plea bargains in Aruba.
1,289 posted on 06/25/2005 5:52:26 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs

The no plea bargains doesn't live the law much leverage. I have always hated pleas but they do make sense.


1,290 posted on 06/25/2005 5:53:34 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
I meant the no pleas doesn't give the law much leverage.
1,291 posted on 06/25/2005 5:54:43 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

No it doesn't leave the law much leverage. That could explain why SK is still held. He'd be the one easiest to cut a deal with, IMO. Now I understand ... no deals in Aruba.


1,292 posted on 06/25/2005 5:58:21 AM PDT by maggief
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To: CitizenM
And I ache just the same as everyone for Natalee and her mother, and all the mothers in this. My own son was shot in the head and almost died, and the perps have never been brought to justice. My son is blind now, so I know the agony of Beth as close as I can having experienced my own worry for my son. I also know that the earliest suspect in the shooting of my son was wrongly fingered and the agony his family suffered. I am trying to leave that lesson guide my feelings and not rush to judgement on what seems to be obvious

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am so sorry about your tragic experience and as a mother, empathize with you and your son. Prayers sent your way....

1,293 posted on 06/25/2005 5:59:07 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: maggiefluffs

Bad news for her parents. What incentive, other than telling the truth (ha), do they have?


1,294 posted on 06/25/2005 6:00:41 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: CitizenM; TexKat; Howlin; sarasota; Peach; brigette
Yes, Varina...I heard two separate interviews of Natalee's friends and both said she introduced herself to Joran. One said she asked him to meet them at C and C's later. The other said she had not heard that particular conversation.

As to forcing her to go with them, I believe most all who saw her with the three boys leaving C and C's said she went willingly

I've been nagged by the story the Kalpoe's have told that when they drove off with Natalee, they say that her friends were hollering at her to come back. The Kalpoe's say (and their mother said her sons told her) that they stopped the car and asked Natalee if she wanted to get out of the car, but she told them "No".

Just wondering if that story of the kids who were supposedly yelling and waving for her to 'come back' were ever identified? Anyone know?

1,295 posted on 06/25/2005 6:06:49 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: bonfire

New judge coming in ... ordered by the high courts in Holland. Impartiality is the reason given ... (hmmmmmm).


1,296 posted on 06/25/2005 6:08:51 AM PDT by maggief
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To: demkicker

FNC just reported from Aruba. The current judge has made so many decisions about this case that a new judge will probably be appointed at 3:00 today and it's expected we'll hear more at that time.


1,297 posted on 06/25/2005 6:09:02 AM PDT by Peach
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To: maggiefluffs

Per FoxNews.


1,298 posted on 06/25/2005 6:09:34 AM PDT by maggief
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To: brigette; maggiefluffs; Peach; CitizenM; TexKat; Howlin; sarasota
greta... Natalie met (saw) both PVDS and JVDS at the casino that Sunday. From your post #1201

Father left the casino (left Joran behind), then picked him up at McDonalds at 11pm to take him home.

So now we know that PVDS had seen and most likely met Natalee at the casino when she was talking to JVDS there.

Why did Daddy leave? - premeditation? - was there a plan set up between PVDS and JVDS? (my skin is crawling)


I couldn't resist posting this in red. After reading for about an hour and catching up on all that's been posted this morning, I found this info remarkable!!!!! Does anyone else besides brigette, maggiefluffs & me think it is significant? I'm still trying to pick my jaw up from the floor!
1,299 posted on 06/25/2005 6:27:34 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: demkicker

I know about CNN, even in airports. Don't know how they've cornered the international market, but they have. Bummer. How did you like Costa Rica?


1,300 posted on 06/25/2005 6:33:39 AM PDT by sarasota
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