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To: spunkets
Already had laws, where?

Noah Webster, the man personally responsible for Art. I, Sec. 8, ¶ 8, of the U. S. Constitution, explained two centuries ago:
The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.

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It is well within man's power to alienate and take that gift of Freedom and other men's rights away.

It said RIGHT, not POWER. Just because I have the power to do something doesn't make it right.

The Constitution is the document that created the new govm't.

The Constitution, did create the federalized government, but in law, it is a positive (man-made) contract between the ENTITIES known as states and the entity known as the federal government.

The only legitimate purpose of govm't is to protect rights and protect Freedom.

VERY heartily agree!

The Bill of rights limited the extent, scope and reach of the gov. created.

The Bill of Rights enumerated the positive law rights of the people.

Take the second Amendment, for example.

It not only acknowledges the peoples natural law right to self defense, it ALSO gives us a positive law right to a SPECIFIC means to do so...*arms*.

The founders only recognized, to a limited extent, Natural Law. They are not it's authors and Natural Law is not written down, nor was it ever enforced.

The fundamental source of all your errors, sophisms and false reasoning is a total ignorance of the natural rights of mankind. Were you once to become acquainted with these, you could never entertain a thought, that all men are not, by nature, entitled to a parity of privileges. You would be convinced, that natural liberty is a gift of the beneficent Creator to the whole human race, and that civil liberty is founded in that; and cannot be wrested from any people, without the most manifest violation of justice.
Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

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To grant that there is a supreme intelligence who rules the world and has established laws to regulate the actions of his creatures; and still to assert that man, in a state of nature, may be considered as perfectly free from all restraints of law and government, appears to a common understanding altogether irreconcilable. Good and wise men, in all ages, have embraced a very dissimilar theory. They have supposed that the deity, from the relations we stand in to himself and to each other, has constituted an eternal and immutable law, which is indispensably obligatory upon all mankind, prior to any human institution whatever. This is what is called the law of nature....Upon this law depend the natural rights of mankind.
Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

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That these are our grievances which we have thus laid before his majesty, with that freedom of language and sentiment which becomes a free people claiming their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.
Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774

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Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members; and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.

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Christianity is part of the Common, or Natural Law. Therefore it is Christianity that is the basis of our government. Religion of any other type is not synonymous with the American experience of Liberty!"

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God . . . is the promulgator as well as the author of natural law.

Justice James Wilson, a signer of the Declaration, the Constitution, Original Justice on the U. S. Supreme Court, and the father of the first organized legal training in America.

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[T]he laws of nature . . . of course presupposes the existence of a God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government.

John Quincy Adams

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The law of nature, “which, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God Himself, is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this.”

Alexander Hamilton, Signer of the Constitution

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It now means folks living in the mannor, can pick their rulers from a pot of authoritarian lords.

(sigh)

If your happy and you know it, rattle your chains!

It still amazes me that even the libs at DU know this is a bad decision!

984 posted on 06/23/2005 4:23:20 PM PDT by MamaTexan ( TAG!!! You're IT!! :)
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To: MamaTexan

To all the Liberals out there, I want you to remember this. Your guys tooks sides with the corporation and the conservatives took the side of the little guy on this issue. So much for all that BS. Ok now I'm done.


985 posted on 06/23/2005 4:26:59 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: MamaTexan
" It still amazes me that even the libs at DU know this is a bad decision!"

They're only upset, because they see the takings going to "business". Had the takings included govm't takeover of the business, they'd wholeheartedly support it. They're just upset, because the theft was limited in scope.

991 posted on 06/23/2005 4:48:27 PM PDT by spunkets
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