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To: jwalsh07

I wrote: "On the other hand, there is the directly conflicting view that views the right to family privacy and the home as a fundamental human right. This is not currently US law, but it is currently French law."

You replied: "Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. See Griswold Penumbras et al."

Oh, certainly under US law there is an absolute right to privacy. But it only applies to abortion, birth control and homosexual sex. Otherwise, there is no fundamental human right to privacy in the United States. If I snap your picture on the street with your family, or your mistress, and publish this, in the US I am exercising my right of free speech. In France, I am committing the crime of assault on your private life.

In the US, if I sue you, I can demand your personal papers and rifle through them to try and find evidence against you: "discovery".

In France, if I sue you, I have no right at all to your private papers. That would be an assault on my privacy.

And so on.

In the US, when it comes to killing children and sodomy, there is indeed a constitutional right of privacy, emanating from the penumbra of some amendments to the US Constitution.

In France, there is a formal, legal right of privacy, and it is a criminal offense to intrude upon private life in any vector. Such exceptions as there are, are derogations from the general rule that privacy is a fundamental human right.

America's penumbra of privacy is the right to use a condom while having sex, with a man or woman, and if with a woman and she gets pregnant, for her to kill the baby practically until childbirth.

France's fundamental privacy is a fundamental right of privacy. Companies cannot collect your private information and sell it. People cannot take your picture and publish it. Enemies cannot sue you and subpoena your private papers.

Right to private sex and infanticide is limited.
It is not a fundamental human right to private life in general. The French right is a fundamental human right to private life in general.

Imagine a 28th Amendment to the US Constitution:
"The right of persons to maintain their privacy shall be protected by law and shall not infringed by law."

That is not American law.
It is French law.

I like to bring this up because folks like you just utterly hate and despise the French. It is pleasant taunting you with rights that you wish you had, but that the French do have. Not everything in France is crazy and ridiculous, and really we should not pretend that it is.


1,444 posted on 06/24/2005 3:18:46 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
Oh, certainly under US law there is an absolute right to privacy.

Au contraire amigo. There are no "absolute rights", there are however absolute truths and one of those is that socialism destroys the human spirit.

But it only applies to abortion, birth control and homosexual sex. Otherwise, there is no fundamental human right to privacy in the United States.

Incorrect again. Sodomy is not a fundamental right. But yes the courts have ruled that killing babies is a fundamental right. Merde'.

If I snap your picture on the street with your family, or your mistress, and publish this, in the US I am exercising my right of free speech. In France, I am committing the crime of assault on your private life.

Any wonder why fascism raises its ugly head in Europe every 50 years or so?

In the US, if I sue you, I can demand your personal papers and rifle through them to try and find evidence against you: "discovery".

Uh, nope. We do have discovery of course but discovery comes with limits, not enough limits perhaps but limits nonetheless. We see justice as a higher goal than privacy. For instance, beating your mistress in the privacy of ones bedroom while videotaping it would result in the videotape being admitted to evidence. Justice.

In France, if I sue you, I have no right at all to your private papers. That would be an assault on my privacy.

Must make contract law a nightmare for the lawyers, eh?

In the US, when it comes to killing children and sodomy, there is indeed a constitutional right of privacy, emanating from the penumbra of some amendments to the US Constitution.

No fundamental right to sodomy in America, you're not quite conversant on that topic but pretty good for a Frenchie.

In France, there is a formal, legal right of privacy, and it is a criminal offense to intrude upon private life in any vector. Such exceptions as there are, are derogations from the general rule that privacy is a fundamental human right.

You're repeating yourself.

America's penumbra of privacy is the right to use a condom while having sex, with a man or woman, and if with a woman and she gets pregnant, for her to kill the baby practically until childbirth.

LOL, you were doing good for a while and now you've devolved to farce.

France's fundamental privacy is a fundamental right of privacy. Companies cannot collect your private information and sell it. People cannot take your picture and publish it. Enemies cannot sue you and subpoena your private papers.

Repeat, repeat, repeat. See above.

Imagine a 28th Amendment to the US Constitution: "The right of persons to maintain their privacy shall be protected by law and shall not infringed by law."

Wonderful.

That is not American law. It is French law.

C'est la vie.

I like to bring this up because folks like you just utterly hate and despise the French.

Now you're lying. I don't like your current government. I don't like your socialist ways and I don't like the ingratitude of your country in general. But I don't hate with a broad brush. And I'm getting not to like you very much because MHO is you are dishonest. A lefty in righty clothing so to speak.

It is pleasant taunting you with rights that you wish you had, but that the French do have. Not everything in France is crazy and ridiculous, and really we should not pretend that it is.

Right, but I see you've failed to commenton your anemic growth rate since 1980 an unemployment rate that is off the charts and all coinciding with your love affair with socialism. Keep taunting, it may work. You can taunt some of the peple some of the time but others of us just laugh becuase we know you are FOS.

Regards.

1,448 posted on 06/24/2005 3:46:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07 ("Su casa es mi casa!" SCOTUS 6/23/05)
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To: Vicomte13
One question before we part company.

Is asserting hate a learned or hereditary trait of the left?

1,455 posted on 06/24/2005 6:11:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07 ("Su casa es mi casa!" SCOTUS 6/23/05)
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