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India aims to be world's design hub
Rediff.com ^ | June 20, 2005 16:28 IST

Posted on 06/20/2005 8:36:59 AM PDT by Gengis Khan

India is gearing up to tap the huge engineering outsourcing opportunity and position itself as the world's hub for high value design and manufacturing destination, a top Nasscom official said on Monday. "China may be the home for mass manufacturing, but India, with its high engineering base, can emerge as the destination for high value manufacturing," Nasscom president Kiran Karnik said.

Nasscom has initiated the engineering services forum and will build a brand for India as the outsourcing destination for engineering services, he said.

Nasscom chairman and TCS CEO S Ramadorai said the market potential for outsourced engineering services was between $7 billion and $12 billion, while the value of work currently undertaken by India-based vendors in this space was estimated about $500 million.

"This does not include that of the captive units of global firms," he said, adding that the engineering services had been divided into IT services (R&D services) and ITES-BPO (engineering BPO).

Ramadorai said Indian firms like L&T, Thermax, Mahindra and Hero Global Design are major outsourcers and the target verticals for India are automotive, aerospace, construction, manufacturing and embedded software and chip design.

Satyam Computer Services Chairman and Nasscom vice-chairman Ramalinga Raju said India's IT services success could be replicated in the engineering services and India could compete with China by harnessing its strengths.

"India-based design teams result in price performance structures which are significantly lower than of US," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; itesbpo; jobs; technology; us
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To: RFEngineer

No doubt, and I can tell you that I know more than a couple law students that wish they went into Engineering.


21 posted on 06/20/2005 11:02:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Lazamataz

Hey dude. Take it easy.
I just posted an article.... not trying to sell any such preposterous ideas about India eclipsing America.

The article says India will become the world's design hub (just as India is now the world's software hub). Its got nothing to do with beating the US.


22 posted on 06/20/2005 11:07:46 AM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: 1rudeboy

"No doubt, and I can tell you that I know more than a couple law students that wish they went into Engineering."

The vast majority of lawyers are doing wills and deed work in crummy little offices and making $50k a year.

Why not encourage your kid to play professional sports, too. They make a lot of money........


23 posted on 06/20/2005 11:07:56 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Gengis Khan
The article says India will become the world's design hub (just as India is now the world's software hub). Its got nothing to do with beating the US.

If it is the world's software hub, how come every time I hear of an offshoring project in programming, the results are a spectacular failure?

Offshoring results are abysmal. My experience is that programmers who succeed are generally on-site -- and of those that succeed, the ones who are Indian usually speak accent-free English.

Even programming at home doesn't work so well. You simply must be on site to succeed.

24 posted on 06/20/2005 11:14:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz

"You simply must be on site to succeed"

Everyone would love to commoditize expensive technical disciplines, unfortunately, reality rarely cooperates.

Most businesses have to adapt to the outsourcing model they incorporate, it is never the other way around. If you happen to have pesky things like customers that don't like to change just because you outsourced critical business functions....well.....that's objective outsourcing failure.


25 posted on 06/20/2005 11:26:39 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
Everyone would love to commoditize expensive technical disciplines, unfortunately, reality rarely cooperates.

There's a reason technical prowess costs money:

  1. True prowess is rare.
  2. True prowess is in high demand.

26 posted on 06/20/2005 11:29:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz
every time I hear of an offshoring project in programming, the results are a spectacular failure

I just LOVE spectacular failures. The more spectacular, the better.

I have some friends who do bank programming in COBOL. You'd think that if any programming work could be done off-site, it would be something in a 60-year-old language. Occasionally they'll do some coding at home, but the vast majority of their work is done on-site. Even when the site is in Peru...

27 posted on 06/20/2005 11:30:32 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana
I just LOVE spectacular failures. The more spectacular, the better.

Spectacular failures make me money.

28 posted on 06/20/2005 11:35:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz

"If it is the world's software hub, how come every time I hear of an offshoring project in programming, the results are a spectacular failure?"

Thats because you hear stuff from the wrong source. This article has something else to say:
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-0/1119279004247040.xml&storylist=national

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/biztech/06/20/techjobdecline.ap/

http://news.google.co.in/news?hl=en&ned=in&q=RACHEL+KONRAD+&btnG=Search+News

Looks like you spoke too soon. I was about post these two articles but thought I might whip up more anti-India fervor.


29 posted on 06/20/2005 11:42:35 AM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: Gengis Khan
Thats because you hear stuff from the wrong source.

My experiences and the experiences of my close associates are the wrong sources?

Hokay.

You read articles and draw your conclusions from them. I'll live real-life experiences and draw my conclusions from them.

30 posted on 06/20/2005 11:45:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Gengis Khan

Oops posted the wrong link. Try this:

http://news.google.co.in/news?hl=en&ned=in&ie=ISO-8859-1&ncl=http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/TechNews/BizTech/2005/06/20/1096617.html


31 posted on 06/20/2005 11:47:33 AM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: Lazamataz
" I'll live real-life experiences and draw my conclusions from them."

And so do I dude. My company is having more and more contracts and a lot of happy "overseas" customers.
32 posted on 06/20/2005 11:50:46 AM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: Gengis Khan
Okay then. We'll definitely lose to India. America hasn't got even a slight prayer. We're all gonna die because Priba.dot is programming these days.,

So keep posting your articles, and continue to whip up some very serious anti-Indian protectionist sentiment.

33 posted on 06/20/2005 11:55:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz
Aww come on, stop whining.
34 posted on 06/20/2005 12:02:16 PM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: Gengis Khan
No no no, you've already got us completely beat. I mean, why do we even bother. India wins and America loses. Let's just fold up the tent now.

All because Priba.dot programs these days.

35 posted on 06/20/2005 12:05:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Gengis Khan
I mean, after all, Japan totally kicked our asses, right? There aren't any more American cars, right?

Nazi Germany totally kicked our asses, right? The superiority of German technology was going to assure the Nazis their military victory, right?

Well then, India will totally kick our asses. After all, they enjoy a slight cost-advantage.

At present.

36 posted on 06/20/2005 12:12:13 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Southack; Dominic Harr

I think I made a salient enough observation above that you two should enjoy it. ;^)


37 posted on 06/20/2005 12:13:17 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz

"I mean, why do we even bother. India wins and America loses. Let's just fold up the tent now."

Suits me! ;)


38 posted on 06/20/2005 12:22:28 PM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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To: Gengis Khan
Suits me! ;)

Never stop posting.

You are doing more damage to India than I ever could do.

NEVER stop.

39 posted on 06/20/2005 12:24:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Lazamataz

"Nazi Germany totally kicked our asses, right? The superiority of German technology was going to assure the Nazis their military victory, right?"

Well I never knew the Nazis did "programming". Just imagine a U boat or a V2 rocket running on outsourced softwares. Good you stopped them.


40 posted on 06/20/2005 12:31:04 PM PDT by Gengis Khan (Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until u hear them speak.)
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