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To: elli1

What is to be expected is professional law enforcement courtesy. I have worked investigations in other countries involving Americans, military, dependents and civilian contractors. This concept of a working relationship prevailed and both America and the host nation benefited.(Trust&Partnership)equalled crime solving as a team.

Are you an American or Aruban? Regardless, cooperation in allowing both the host and foreign agency to work an investgation together promotes an open and better investigative process/diplomacy.

If a Russian citizen were murdered in America, they would be afforded the courtesy of having their LEA work together with our the investigating agency to solve the crime if requested or not. However, if this crime involved the national security of America, I would say no.

As to this investigation in Aruba, I am not in one bit impressed with the attitude, prefessionalism, lacksadaisical, careless, incompetent, bumbling, unprofessional and arrogance of this Dutch controlled LEA/judicial system Utopia to date.

I will respectfully say, I this were your daughter or family member you would want the Aruban authorities to let the FBI enter VDS house to search for evidence. What say you? NSNR


1,255 posted on 06/22/2005 9:22:30 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I have worked investigations in other countries involving Americans, military, dependents and civilian contractors. This concept of a working relationship prevailed and both America and the host nation benefited.(Trust&Partnership)equalled crime solving as a team.

I guess it was not a Central American country then, huh....

By KEVIN MURPHY - The Kansas City Star Date: 08/16/01 22:15

WASHINGTON -- Whoever murdered Missouri native Larry Lee in his apartment in Guatemala 19 months ago left a bloody towel, stole his cell phone and used it to make calls. Two clear leads for police, both overlooked.

Whoever killed University of Kansas student Shannon Martin as she walked home from a bar in Costa Rica three months ago is also still at large. The pace of the investigation has frustrated Martin's mother and a U.S. senator from Kansas.

Families of those who become crime victims in some foreign countries often learn a hard lesson about getting justice and what little the United States can do about it. "We as Americans tend to think that most criminal justice systems are a lot like ours, that we are going to have some sense of the procedures and will have rights," said Lara Murray of the National Center for Victims of Crime. "That's not true in a lot of the world."

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"We are frustrated, too," said State Department spokesman Christopher Lamora. "The embassy has pressured the Guatemalan government as much as it possibly can.... "The bottom line is that no U.S. law enforcement agency is going to become engaged in investigating a crime in another country without a request from the host government or law enforcement officials in that country."

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The FBI has three Florida-based agents who deal full time with investigations in Central American countries, but only with clearance from the State Department and the foreign governments, an FBI spokeswoman said.

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http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/printer.pat,local/3acce6c8.816,.html

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The US gov't is not going to push Aruba too hard on this one...Aruba is currently used by the US in the drug war (the US uses an airbase on the island...which also explains the presence of the DEA agent when Natalie was first reported missing).

Finally, if you are going to call for a boycott of Aruba due to what you perceive is their inability to solve this crime, then I would ask that you also call for a boycott of every other country which has failed to solve a case involving a missing American (looks like Costa Rica and Guatemala to start). While you are at it, call for a boycott of those states which also have unsolved missing persons (which would be every state in the US).

1,261 posted on 06/22/2005 10:09:29 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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First of all, I'm an American. But I'm trying to understand this from the Aruban POV. That being that Aruba already has a Big Brother & that is Holland. That the Arubans & the Dutch in Aruba have a better understanding of Aruba, Aruban/ Dutch law, topography, geography, customs & languages than the American FBI does. That the FBI was allowed on Aruban soil and, so far as I know, has not been expelled. That the Arubans are capable of contacting the FBI is they want the help but that heavy-handed tactics are going to be met with resentment & resistance.

So far as 'if it were my daughter', all of the above still applies. And, of course, the knowledge that travelling to a foreign country is an assumption of risk and done in full knowledge that you have left the legal jurisdiction of American LE territory.

As far as the FBI and the extension of LE courtesies (which I don't doubt), I'll remind you that the Boulder PD shut the FBI out of the Jon Benet Ramsey investigation (for the most part).


1,369 posted on 06/22/2005 12:47:01 PM PDT by elli1
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