Zell Miller and Newt Gingrich Call for Senate Censure for Durbin (Hannity

I'm glad you aren't 'taking issue'. We're just having a polite talk, and that's a great way to be with things that are ultimately beyond anyone's comprehension. =] And in some ways, we will end up agreeing to disagree. But just as Nostradamus is worth thinking about now and then, I believe that Biblical prophesy is, too.

"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."

Good point there. That clearly is not an earthly location you referred to. At the same time, I think that prophesy can slide from an earthly location to it's spiritual counterpart and back again. And that seems to go against my belief in 'reading like a child'. So, you did open a bit of a paradox for me there. =]

For example of how Biblical prophesy can help, Savage quoted a New Testament prophesy recently. He didn't quite get it exact, but it was profound nonetheless. Jesus said [please forgive the paraphrase], "There will always be poor among us." That prediction could have saved our country TRILLIONS if those leftist weenies took the Bible seriously enough.

The World Court would be put in proper perspective, as well. And it's worth bearing in mind that one day, the Euphrates will dry up, making it easier for China to march toward Israel [I'm not so sure China will be a friend, either. Very skeptical on that point.] That also means that Iraq will be of high strategic importance, one day.

"I noticed you quote from the KVJ."

There are some aspects of other Bibles that are actually worse at interpreting, IMHO, although I'm not a complete snob about the King James.

"My standard is Liberty Bible Commentary OT/NT (separate books) which where gifts from the Old Time Gospel Hour ministries. Along with my book collections and other bibles, some also including commentary sections."

I'm not completely opposed to other versions, which I sometimes use if the King James seems really garbled.

"At any rate. I have take no issue with what you share. Any given book on revelations can be found to go contrary to what another one might expound. The above mentioned commentary I use would differ with your explanations, in that the use/reference to Babylon [symbolic]... Where Babylon represents the Satan driven worldly ways all nations practice. As opposed to a particular spot on the map."

Here's my layman's hypothesis, which I have a gut feeling about:

I believe that the actual location of Babylon is somehow linked to the Tower of Babel. I also believe, and perhaps this sounds 'way out', that during the Great Flood, the descendants of Adam hadn't spread out very far.

I don't think Noah drifted off very far, either.

[In fact, it may not have only taken a flood above the peak of Mount Everest to wipe out the entire civilization God was angry at. Entire world/entire civilization could have meant the same thing back in Noah's time. But I'm not going to say flat-out that's what happened. Not worth getting into a major debate about.]

And the ruins of Babel would attract some of the most rebellious elements of Noah's descendants: Babylon. If they think "God's boring", they would also think that "those pagan ruins are kool". Some would move there, curious about the old statues, any etchings on the stones, etc. And then other wicked people would be enticed by that city.

Maybe I'm full of BS. But I think there is a lot more to that location than meets the eye.

"But as you indicate, as long as we like a little child, driven by the Holy Spirit to seek God, and follow his laws and precepts, stay in the fold, we shall be saved. Of course I understand between us, the need to both follow and understand (study to be approved by God), all that is written in the OT/NT... So whether we agree or disagree on mute points in a book such as the book of revelations, we both understand that we are saved through grace, and not of our own least we boost. Praise unto the Lord."

Yes. We should praise God! He's pretty important, in my book. We are nothing worth being without Him.

At the same time, the busy traveler was given only two commandments. Jesus loves to keep things simple. College-educated ministers are taught by clowns who love to complicate things as much as possible, one of the ways the intelligentsia tries to keep people submissive to them.

"Just one final note, as you read 18:2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,21,22,23,24 etc., rereading and comparing what each verse brings forth, do at least consider that there is more to Babylon then one geographic spot that has not existed in it's original form for some three thousand years or so. The above referenced verses are not fixed points in time, but talk about a long long period of time in which mankind's behavior is observed to behave in a given way. And in verse a careful read, may clearly show, that the original city of Babylon, located close to the current city of Hillah south of Baghdad, called bibil, e.g. the city mounds and some building structures are still there , indicate a physical city is not being discussed, e.g. 18:24"

In many ways, you have studied a lot more than I have. No doubt about that! The name, 'bibil', is pretty interesting, given what I wrote above. A product of 'Babel'? But as I read chapter 18, it seemed to me to be a moment. The powerful rulers watched it burn from the distance, not wanting to join in the dangers. The merchants were lamenting economic disaster.

Here's another thought you may or may not agree with: some places are more blessed than others. And some places are more cursed than others. Our Worst Enemy will most likely seek the most cursed of all places on earth, to draw power from it.

"Here's another thought you may or may not agree with: some places are more blessed than others. And some places are more cursed than others. Our Worst Enemy will most likely seek the most cursed of all places on earth, to draw power from it."

My aim is not to take anything away from what you suggest. Nor shall I pretend to be some sort of biblical expert, I am not.
Most opinions I offer are taken from books, in this case biblical commentaries. One thing is for sure your above statements go without question. One could only reference your thoughts to what we read in some biblical prophecies such as the one against Tyre. It is amazing in it's details spelled out in so many OT books that could not have remotely had a connection, over some 1000 years plus period of time.
I would tell the whole story hear but it would take a gross amount of writing.
One thing is for sure, Rom:3:23 nails the whole human condition on the head. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
And the only solution to this dilema is to carefully realize Rom:6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ the Lord" And commit ones life to the Lord, by obiedance. No sacrifice can save us, the sacrifice has already been done.

take care brother.

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