Posted on 06/16/2005 9:43:44 AM PDT by stlnative
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Sorry I missed it ... I'm watching Greta. She interviewed some friend of the brothers, who's known them from the internet cafe for about two years. Though CnC is known for drugs, the brothers had no part of drugs or drinking, (whatever). Never heard of urine, (must mean Joran).
It's was reported to me that more than one additional individual has been detained today for questioning in this case. They were not arrested. And there may be others. The above is loose information from a prior reliable source I was going to work on it tonight - I didn't get to that, given events.
For some reason I can't see, the line that this investigation is moving forward to an anticipated conclusion not too far off in the future is genuine and has at least something to do with the querstioning of additional individuals.
The general feeling is that the island has been completely searched as regards the most likely locations used to dispose of any possible body and it is "clean." That includes gold mine shafts to which I have seen some refer. There will be additional searching, but not in locations thought to be the "most likely" ones.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
Exactly. What a cop out! So the students signed a contract? I guess the proof is in the result: They did not honor that contract. Obviously they were not the "adults" they were supposed to be. Who thought of such an arrangement?
So, these "chaperones" can now walk around without feeling any guilt or responsibility because the students signed a contract? What happened is not their fault, because they were not supposed to be watching them. Well, perhaps they just feel comfortable thinking that the fault is mainly with the person/s who did what ever was done. But I certainly could not sleep at night, nor live with myself knowing I did not take the idea of being responsible for a teen's safety and the job of being a "chaperone" more seriously than some dumb "contract" signed by children who, as all teens, have a strong penchant for just having fun and being unaware of any dangers.
Whether Natalee's family holds them to any degree of responsibility or not is immaterial. They were the adults on the island with that group. Someone should have had more common sense. Obviously, if they had no role as a true "chaperone" they were there more for their own pleasure than assuring the safety or monitoring the activities of the teens. That must have been low on the list of their priorities.
This whole incident is a calamity of bad judgment from the get-go. Unfortunately poor Natalee was a victim of some twisted mind that seized an opportunity that would, otherwise, not have existed if the teens were being watched properly and protected by something more than a piece of paper that was a "contract." It makes me sick. I could say more, but it would be misinterpreted I am sure.
My heart goes out to Natalee who was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and obviously still a naive teen who deserved more than a contract to protect her.
Hah! Another travel agent heard from.
Please, post evidence to contradict me.
Personally, I think you have class envy. Can't afford to travel?
I watched Greta. What I gathered from the two sets of parents is that the FBI is heavily involved in the case and helping to expedite charges against the prime suspects. (No, they did not say that, exactly, but that is how I interpreted their words plus their facial expressions and body language).
Greta interviewed the govt. of Aruba PR guy (Ruben Something-berg)...He said just a couple of years ago, Aruba was a quiet place with the tourists spending all their days on the beach--nights at casinos. An adult crowd. Then came this strip of trendy nightclubs...Carlos&Charlies and their lookalikes (all on the same street) where younger and younger tourists go to party all night. "Rough" was a word both he and Greta used.
Maybe not a good thing for Aruba?
An aside--I never knew Greta was so tiny. She's an itty-bitty thing. The men she interviewed (at C&C) looked like giants alongside of her; the women looked like Amazons.
The three twenty-somethings she talked to said that date rape drugs are a commonplace thing nowadays, and all three knew at least one friend who had had their drinks "doctored" at a party or club. Greta looked a little shocked. I think she leads a sheltered life down there in D.C.
Darlin', I travel plenty, and money is no object.
Me too. And I'm not a travel agent.
I think the good to come from this is that there will hopefully be a redefining of chaperone, back to what it really means instead of the vague wishy washy recent usage. Maybe this event will wake teens up. This wasn't a 14 year old. This was an intelligent 18 year old.
I am sure they were well aware of the drinking and the prostitution and the casino.....
they choose to not worry about all that.....
now me, I am worried tonite because my 20 yro dtr wants to get her own apart. when she enters her third year at a new university this fall.....I worry that she is going to work too much...just started a new job and they want her as assistant manager already....and I worry that she won't have a fun college exp.....
so I can't imagine NOT worrying about a party island atmosphere if I valued my dtrs safety.....
BY MICHAEL ROTHFELD STAFF CORRESPONDENT, This story was supplemented with wire service reports.
June 16, 2005
NOORD, Aruba -- The moment the woman at the counter heard Natalee Holloway's name yesterday, she could not contain herself.
"I want them to finish it fast, and solve the problem," Rosita Dinzey, 40, said as she rented cars to visitors at the airport. "It has us locals upset, and it's not an Aruban who did it."
For nearly three weeks, locals and foreigners on this small Caribbean island have been obsessed with the disappearance of the 18-year-old Alabama student, spending hours speculating about her fate. Some have tired of it.
Holloway went missing in the early morning of May 30, hours before she was to meet 124 other new high school graduates from Mountain Brook, Ala., to fly home after a five-day trip. No one has been charged with a crime. Yesterday, authorities intensified their focus on one of three young men last seen with Holloway as they left an island disco: Joran van der Sloot, 17, the son of a Dutch justice ministry official living in Aruba.
His companions have told authorities he and Holloway kissed in his car on a beach at the northern end of the island that night, and one of them said the pair later went to another beach, near a Marriott Hotel. Investigators turned up nothing during a search there Tuesday.
Van der Sloot's father, Paul, asked the court yesterday for permission to see his son, who was taken into custody last week with Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe. The brothers' lawyers asked to see evidence against their clients. A judicial spokesman said there would be a ruling late this week.
Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg told CNBC yesterday that investigators were making progress. Workers on this island 20 miles from Venezuela, meanwhile, listen for news on the radio. And tourists continue to arrive. As three teenage girls exited their plane from the United States, a flight attendant smiled at them. "Be safe, girls," she said.
Not everyone is entranced by the case. Newlyweds Derrick and Debby Neville of Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn were more interested in kite-surfing ads as they began a five-day stay. "It's unfortunate that this is going on where you're going, but we're going to enjoy the vacation," said Derrick Neville, 45.
About noon, investigators descended on the van der Sloots' cottage in the Montaña neighborhood 10 minutes inland from the beachfront Holiday Inn where Holloway had stayed.
Local forensics investigators, FBI agents, the Aruban police chief and the prosecutor on the case came and went in the humidity, towing two cars and carrying off several plastic bags.
Magdala Roza, 19, who spent hours watching from her aunt's home across the street, pointed to a school down the street that she attended with the young van der Sloot until they were about 10. He is now an honors student at an international school in Aruba. "Our neighborhood is so still, we didn't think this could happen," said her cousin Juraima Jacobs, 22.
A man next door to the van der Sloots said he had lived there since van der Sloot was a boy but seldom had dealings with the family. "Always, they get in their car and go," said the 57-year-old teacher who did not want to give his name. "Maybe because he's a judge or something, he has a higher status."
The meandering path of the investigation has frustrated both those close to Holloway and the people of Aruba, who fear its reputation as a friendly tourist destination has been dragged down by images of foul play. That frustration was compounded by the authorities' decision to detain two security guards for a week based on a story reportedly put forward by van der Sloot and his companions that when they dropped Holloway at her hotel, she was approached by a guard. A surveillance video did not show her return, and the guards were released Monday.
"Why are you going to take two black guys who have nothing to do with it and keep them incarcerated?" Dinzey said, despite the guards' release. "I think they should pressure these three boys."
This story was supplemented with wire service reports.
From my hometown newspaper. I realize people change, but from what I've read, Natalee seems to be the same type of person. Unchanged with age.
Really sweet and nice. Photos are included in the story.
http://www.clintonnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050616/NEWS/506160357/1001
Fox News reported that the Natalee Holloway's case is no longer and search and rescue, it is not now a search and recovery.
Is that all they said?!
I tried to call her aunt tonight and no one was home. I will try again tomorrow if she doesn't see my number on her caller ID and call me back.
Posted on Thu, Jun. 16, 2005
Aruban copter fails to find girl's body
PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A helicopter searched for the body of an Alabama teenager as investigators sifted through items seized from the island home of a justice official whose son was with the young woman the night she disappeared, officials said Thursday.
More than two weeks after 18-year-old Natalee Holloway went missing, searches by authorities, volunteer islanders and tourists have led nowhere, and no one has been charged in the case. Authorities were refusing to say if they thought Holloway was dead.
On Thursday, however, Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told The Associated Press that used a helicopter "to search for possible remains - but found nothing." He declined to say where the helicopter searched.
Also Thursday, a judge postponed to Friday a ruling on a petition from the justice official, Paul van der Sloot, to see his jailed 17-year-old son, Joran, said Attorney General Caren Janssen. The judge also postponed to Friday a ruling on a request from lawyers defending the youth and his two Surinamese friends to see any evidence authorities have gathered, Janssen said. Janssen declined to say whether the judge was considering other petitions related to the case. Van der Sloot, from Holland, is training to be a judge in Aruba, which is a Dutch protectorate in the Caribbean.
On Wednesday, investigators brought in from Holland and police using a German Shepherd searched the van der Sloots' one-story, yellow-beige home, where Joran lived in an attached apartment. Agents were seen carrying two white garbage bags filled with items from the house, while authorities towed away a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep from the property in Noord, outside the capital, Oranjestad.
Van der Straaten declined to give details on what they found. "We are still busy with the investigation and interrogations of suspects," he said Thursday.
Following the approximately four-hour search, Attorney General Caren Janssen clarified that Paul van der Sloot was not under investigation.
Asked why it took investigators more than two weeks after Holloway's disappearance to search the van der Sloot home, Janssen said Thursday, "You have to build up an investigation. You can't just go in there like a cowboy, you have to give certain direction to investigators."
Joran remains in police custody along with Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, of Suriname. The three were questioned and released shortly after Holloway's May 30 disappearance. They were formally arrested last Thursday.
The two brothers have told police that they and Joran were with Holloway and that she and the Dutch youth were petting in the back seat of their car. The detainees initially said they took Holloway to a beach on the northern part of the island then dropped her off at her Holiday Inn hotel, where they claimed she was approached by a security guard.
But Antonius "Mickey" John, a former hotel security guard released from custody on Sunday, told reporters that Deepak Kalpoe told him during a chat in jail that he and his brother actually dropped the young van der Sloot and Holloway off together near the Marriott, about 10 blocks north of the Holiday Inn. John said he passed the information on to police.
Kalpoe's lawyer would not comment on John's statement Wednesday, but said his client maintained his innocence.
Van der Straaten declined to give a timeline Thursday on when the investigation could conclude, or when Joran and the Kalpoe brothers might either be released or formally charged.
He dismissed rumors that police may investigate coastal waters on the north side of the island known to have sharks. "Sure, we have shark places on the northern side, but they have nothing to do with the investigation," he said.
Holloway was celebrating her graduation from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Alabama, with 124 other students and seven chaperones when she vanished during the early hours of May 30. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her room.
The law says authorities can hold detainees for up to 116 days without filing formal charges. The three young men have been in custody since June 9.
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Aruba tourism takes a deep dive as Holloway case drags on
http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050616a.html
UPDATE: The joint court of law of the Dutch Antilles and
Aruba
has granted Paul van der Sloot permission to visit his son Joran. That the decisions came Thursday afternoon after Paulus van der Sloot had filed a motion for allowing him to see his son on Wednesday. Initially the Aruban authorities had allegedly denied him visitation because of his status.
Check out the rest of the info at the above link.
I am still puzzuled because one of the other girl's mothers posted that her daughter stated that Natalee left in a taxi, there is also talk of a taxi on the SM site. And when the other girls that state that they saw her in the car, none ever mention that there were more than 2 other individuals in the vehicle besides Natalee.
Thursday, June 16, 2005
Two Unconfirmed Reports
A message board poster on AOL from Aruba is claiming that three additional men are being questioned. And, that this has been going on the last two days or so. Says American news sources are reporting inaccurate information and seems to be solidly defending Van der Sloot in his posts/responses.
Two quotes on AOL message board site:
1) Thank you for being so positive and not blaming this all on the Arubian law enforcement. They are also now talking to three other men.
2) Faces are blocked in the pictures. Can't tell who they are. It was reported first about 3 days ago in awe mainta. No one else has talked about it then saw it again today in awe mainta. Unfortunately all they say is that they are two arubians and one colombian. I can speculate but that is it
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