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Beethoven Was a Narcissistic Hooligan
Guardian ^ | 6/7/2005 | Dylan Evans

Posted on 06/16/2005 8:28:05 AM PDT by Pyro7480

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To: Pyro7480

There was a whole movie (and musical) devoted to how a famous central-European composer was a genius but egotistical and eccentric. That was Mozart. Apparently he caught it from Beethoven.


81 posted on 06/16/2005 9:27:38 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: Lx

Go for Sonatas 26 through 32. They're all rather interesting.


82 posted on 06/16/2005 9:28:50 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: sitetest

I'll join that ping list as well, thanks!


83 posted on 06/16/2005 9:29:36 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: Republicanprofessor

The add me to the classical ping list if you would.


84 posted on 06/16/2005 9:30:05 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Borges

I'm willing to start the list if nobody else has already done so.


85 posted on 06/16/2005 9:30:12 AM PDT by EveningStar ("If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken / Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools...")
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To: Doctor Stochastic; justshutupandtakeit

Yeah that really is a myth about Bach being fortoteen until Mendelsohn brought him back. Chopin studied Bach as a child. (Bach known in Warsaw in the 1810s!) Music publishing was in its infancy when Bach died so it was very unusual for composers to be well known to the public at large until the mid 19th century.


86 posted on 06/16/2005 9:30:13 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

'forgotten'


87 posted on 06/16/2005 9:30:45 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Family Guy

Quartet K 465 (the one in C, nicknamed "Dissonant") has a pretty weird introduction.


88 posted on 06/16/2005 9:31:58 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Pyro7480

Beethoven is the single best writer of music ever. EVER.


89 posted on 06/16/2005 9:33:49 AM PDT by pnome
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To: Borges

I think the point is that while Bach had always been studied by musicians, he wasn't popular in public concerts until people like Busoni made him popular again.


90 posted on 06/16/2005 9:34:12 AM PDT by cartan
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To: headsonpikes
For what it's worth, this is essentially Spengler's view on Western music recapitulated by Dylan Evans, and an intriguing analysis it is!

You learn something new about Egon every day. He still wasn't my favorite ghostbuster though.

91 posted on 06/16/2005 9:34:22 AM PDT by Sir Gawain (When in doubt, cite the Commerce Clause)
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To: Pyro7480

Shades of this nut; http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Susan_McClary


92 posted on 06/16/2005 9:34:41 AM PDT by kennyo
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I was not speaking of the period immediately after JSB's death but FIFTY years later. His music was not performed publicly until I think it was Mendelsonne revived it.

WTC was an exercise for keyboard players and not even written for public performance. It was a practice piece and a theoretical demonstration. Amazing.


93 posted on 06/16/2005 9:35:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

LOL!! I was thinking of Schroeder, too. I love The Peanuts. I hope Charles Schulz is working on more Peanuts comics up in heaven.


94 posted on 06/16/2005 9:35:26 AM PDT by Luna (Lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade at Liberalism)
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To: wideawake

Maybe he lost the struggle.

On some level, everyone dies Catholic.


95 posted on 06/16/2005 9:35:35 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Killing Time
The Clarinet Quartets? The Requiem

The Posthorn Serenade is wonderful.

96 posted on 06/16/2005 9:37:13 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: Cinnamon Girl

It was an extremely silly movie but fun. Particularly since he despised his sister-in-law and sued to have his nephew removed from her influence.


97 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:06 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Pyro7480; Askel5
Men of substance must form a small coven
So they could concentrate on Beethoven
Things do not get much hotter
Than a piano sonata
With hope, grief and triumph interwoven

98 posted on 06/16/2005 9:38:15 AM PDT by annalex
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To: EveningStar; Republicanprofessor

Dear EveningStar,

Perhaps you and Republicanprofessor should talk.

Whoever does the list, please add me!!

Thanks,


sitetest


99 posted on 06/16/2005 9:39:12 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Sir Gawain
You learn something new about Egon every day.

Heh. I was referring to Oswald.

But you knew that. ;^)

100 posted on 06/16/2005 9:39:59 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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