[malakhi]

Ok, you support the right of the state to have total control over you and your family

One could just as easily make the case that this is what you're position would entail -- the state stepping in and interfering with private family decisions.

[robertpaulsen]

"One could just as easily make the case that this is what you're position would entail -- the state stepping in and interfering with private family decisions."

Oooooh. That's going to leave a mark.

Hey, ClancyJ, better put some ice on that.