If someone can't think independently enough to not swallow what the NYT is feeding you, he's not worth the debate.
I know...I'm dismayed at how many times I've come on FR lately to wonder if I've accidentally taken a left turn and ended up on DU.
It's disoncerting to see how many people who call themselves conservatives can't see through the media's "Iraq Smoke and Mirrors." What I see and hear on most of the news and what I see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears bear little resemblance to each other.