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To: ovrtaxt

You are overly kind to the human condition. Men do not mature until the mid-30 to mid 40 range, and that is still a dice roll on the average. Kyle is a well educated, well protected and well connected child- even by your standards. Regardless, take his thoughts and be intrigued- all my best to ya...


21 posted on 06/11/2005 4:05:03 AM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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To: Treader

Yeah, 25 is a hopeful age. I know some who actually seem to have a handle on things at that age, but it's a rare phenomenon. I expect this kid to do well at a comparatively early age, though.

And yes, I am intrigued. I'm expecting great things from this young generation- my kids are 10 and 8, and they have high standards to meet.


22 posted on 06/11/2005 4:17:06 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (...a sheep in wolf's clothing)
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To: Treader

please name a president in the last 50 years that did not have a well educated, well protected, well connected upbringing?


23 posted on 06/11/2005 4:25:11 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Treader

I always enjoy reading Kyle's writings.

I have a son who is exactly the same age as Kyle. He attends college and is constantly exposed to liberalism.

The difference in attitude between my son and Kyle is always interesting for me to observe.

Kyle, maybe because of his "insider" status or exposure to organized politics, seems so cynical for his age.

My kid, on the other hand, is the cock-eyed optimist, who still thinks you should enter the fray and take on the liberals you meet, converting them one at a time through discussion and debate. (Actually has had some success in this, but with college kids his own age, not with the profs.)

This summer he's taking online classes, and is constantly engaging in debate during his discussion postings.

Kyle's positions are probably more realistic (although I think it's a stretch to say there's no difference between the Dems and the Republicans), but I wonder if it's not better for the psyche of a 17 year old to think he can do the "impossible", and change the liberal direction of our country through working on the campaigns of candidates he supports or engaging in lively debate (my kid still wears his Bush/Cheney bracelet from the 2004 campaign and never took his bumper stickers off his car.)


24 posted on 06/11/2005 4:30:03 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Treader
Men do not mature until the mid-30 to mid 40 range, and that is still a dice roll on the average.

Yikes! That's actually a very scary statement you've made! I'm not saying it isn't true; what's so scary about it is that it is the truth in so many cases re: both men and women in America today.

It never used to be this way. I'm old enough to remember a different America: one where people did not live in a state of perpetual adolesence. Men acted like grown men and women acted like grown women by the time they reached their early 20's. Even teenagers acted more like responsible adults back then than most adults do now. Perhaps, that's our real problem.

We can blame the politicians all we want, but until the vast majority of Americans grow up and start acting like the adults they're supposed to be, our nation will never pull out of this tailspin. [I'm not taking a jab at anyone here, BTW. In my experience, I've found FReepers to be grown ups (even the youngest FR members I've met here are more mature than some of the 30-40 somethings I've met while out and about in the world).]

57 posted on 06/11/2005 5:26:27 PM PDT by schmelvin
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