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While this is a bit simplistic, with no examples or details on the GOP side, I have to agree with his general point. Control freak politicians exist in both parties, and neither seems to be truly interested in the Constitution for the sake of the Constitution, only the parts of it that advance their own agenda.

Yes, this is a HUGE generalization, but for the most part it's true. Still waiting for a real conservative party to emerge to the right of the GOP, as the Dems grow ever more irrelevant...

Having said that, there's infinitely more hope for the GOP than the Dems, (they aren't even a serious choice for thinking individuals), and certainly we've seen signs of hope here and there.

1 posted on 06/11/2005 2:42:32 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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The reality is neither party cares about us.
Perfectly fine with me. Our government is not supposed to care for us, that's our job. Politicians can themselves care, I've seen it firsthand (or a damn good con) but the political parties do not care by design. Their sole existence is to advance politicians and their ideas, not to care.

The route to principled government is found in selflessness.
Anyone saying or believing this is a lefty. You need principled PEOPLE to build a principled government, not a bunch of "selfless" wimps who care so much about us that they're trying to control everything cradle to grave.

2 posted on 06/11/2005 3:04:14 AM PDT by QwertyKPH (Non-profane tagline)
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I know I may get some flack around here, but I would love to see both the Dums and the Republican Party's wiped out and replaced with some people that genuinely care, and will uphold what they were elected for.

Government is too big, and 'We The People' have no say in what really happens anymore. Big Business is in control of this country. Anyone that can throw money towards the politicians (in either party) get the nod.

Taxes keep going up, if we get a reprieve from Washington, local and state governments take it back. We have no control where the money goes, they just take.

And the Dums keep putting candidates out there that have never worked an honest day in their life. Like Kerry would have cared about anyone but himself. Like Clinton ever cared about anyone but himself. And they proclaim to be for working people. Whatever.

Considering how the vote went in 2004, there are a ton of sheep in this country, and the parties in power have somehow blinded many to the truth, or the general population in this country has lost too many brain cells over the years.
3 posted on 06/11/2005 3:12:06 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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Pols need to reminded and sadly often who they serve, the people who elected them. Those that do not take that to heart need to be replaced forthwith.


6 posted on 06/11/2005 3:16:03 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (One man's Linux is another man's OS/2.)
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My problem with the GOP is quite simple - they've gotten addicted to spending and debt. They quite literally treat money like it falls out of the sky. In due time, when these debts come due, all other politics will become a sideshow. And I sincerely doubt they have a solution for the problems that will cause.


7 posted on 06/11/2005 3:18:22 AM PDT by seacapn
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You do realize that the author of this article is a child, right? Kyle is not even the age of majority... yet. Yeah, follow the child's wisdom in world/national politiical view, no altitude corrections neccessary.


15 posted on 06/11/2005 3:37:46 AM PDT by Treader (Hillary's dark smile is reminiscent of Stalin's inhuman grin...)
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At a young age, Kyle recognizes the serious threat political parties present to a civil society. Individual liberty and the right of individuals to own the fruits of their hard work, good decisions, and responsible acts have never, and will never, co-exist with powerful political parties.

Both parties depend on large amounts of debt imposed on youngsters like Kyle to stay in business. Combine both parties support for imposing debt on Americans who can't vote and both parties support for unconstitutional fiat currency, it's easy to see why younsters like Kyle don't have much good to say about either party.

I don't think you can have a democracy without non-partisan elections at all levels of government. The rights of individual citizens simply cannot be protected by politicians representing political parties instead of individual citizens. In a democracy, political parties should be lobbyists and nothing more.


34 posted on 06/11/2005 6:06:17 AM PDT by yoswif
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Both parties are disconnected from the people. The amount of money that is thrown at politicians has a tendency to do that. The travesty for both parties is the nomination of presidential candidates is done by the elites not the voters. When is the last time a voter in New York, California, or Illinois has went to primary to cast a vote for candidate whose nomination was truly in doutbt? I am leaving out a host of other heavily populated states that have been left out of the nominating process as well. The boys and girls who run the show have manipulated the process to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. Of course the media loves the present process, because the concentration of political power in a few states such as Iowa and New Hampshire allows them more influence

The process in the long run has been better exploited by the Republicans than Democrats but that may not be because Republicans are inherently smarter. The good old boys of the Republican Party have come from farther outside beltway and therefore more in touch with the people.

The Democrats repeated in 2004 the mistake that the Republicans made in 1996. They nominated a candidate just because he had been knocking around the Senate for a long time, not because he could connect with the people on the campaign trail. A kind of reward if you will for hanging around Washington holding office and not really making any enemies inside the Washington political elite.

The irony is that Howard Dean would have made a better candidate than Kerry. That does not mean that he could have beat Bush. He would have ran a better campaign. He would have at least had an issue. He had an articulable position on the war, he was against it in every way, shape and form. Anyone going to the polls to vote would have known the differences between the two candidates. As it turned out many voters may have seen the choice between a man wearing a cowboy hat and a man wearing a spandex wind surfing suit, a man with an intelligent wife with traditional values, and man whose wife was a cash cow and whose mouth was not connected to a thinking organ.

But the Democrats are a humanistic and pseudo caring party, and in their own way they felt sorry for the way the Teddy Kennedy and his boy Shrum, along with little Tommy Harkin had put the bum's rush on Dean to hand the spandex boy the nomination. So they thought they would feel better if they threw some crumbs Howie's way.

By doing so the Republicans get another huge gift, deserved or not.

45 posted on 06/11/2005 7:30:19 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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As I look around at the conservatives, namely the GOP, I see a party that elects very qualified people of color to some pretty important jobs. The Democratic Party merely lets popular people of color get a little air time or ink, for instance Rev. Al Sharpton, a more than vocal mouth piece for the black base; and then the press lauds Barack Obama as the second coming. Barack may have more couth, than Rev. Sharpton, but he is just as much a “party” man regardless of the need for veracity at times...not a good thing for the DNC.

Being qualified means a lot to the Republican Party where as the DNC considers quantity over qualified.

49 posted on 06/11/2005 8:04:05 AM PDT by yoe
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Liberals, to see what we hear when Dean speaks, subsitute the word "Jew" for the term "white Christian"

exactly! if the situation was reversed, the left would hear it this way: (Freeper Frame)

"democrats are pretty much a Jewish party."

"i hate democrat-Jews and everything they stand for."

"democrat-Jews have never made an honest living in their lives."

"democrat-Jews are brain dead."

"democrat-Jews are evil."

Wow, when you think of it that way, Howard Dean seems like a modern day Nazi. the only difference is the particular group being targeted.


51 posted on 06/11/2005 8:51:32 AM PDT by GOPJ (Deep Throat(s) -- top level FBI officials playing cub reporters for fools.)
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Well .. just take a look at the Clinton cabinet (especially the high profile positions) and measure it against the Bush cabinet (high profile positions).

The Republicans were made up of a much more DIVERSE group of people than the ALL WHITE MEN group in Clinton's camp. While Clinton had 2 women (AG and SS_ - THEY WERE BOTH WHITE.

This is why Dean's statement is just divisive and wrong.


52 posted on 06/11/2005 10:03:50 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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Our job is to reshape the GOP from within, rather than wishing that a more conservative party, to the right of the Republican party will magically arise.

The Gop foundation is pretty sound and the soil beneath the foundation is generally stable and the structure itself has more sound timbers than those weakened by termites and rot. This old house is restorable and remodelable, and the mortage is nearly paid off-we damn near own it, free and clear of debt.

Why should we start all over from scratch, someplace else and allow the crack pots of the left and the half cracked RINOS of the right,to turn our old residense into a crack house?????


53 posted on 06/11/2005 10:39:55 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (From their slimy left bank puddle, the froggy Dems still croak" Duh........ We da mainstream, we da)
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Whoever wrote this (and I seriously doubt that it was really a 15-yr old) is merely mounting a weak defense of dean by criticizing Republicans using the same untruths the RATS always use, they're Christian extremists, they're only for the rich, etc. Naturally, anybody who bashes politicians in general will get lots of agreement. Who doesn't think pols are self-absorbed hacks who don't care about the taxpayers who elected them? Simplistic is right.


54 posted on 06/11/2005 11:02:55 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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"While this is a bit simplistic ..." And how old is Kyle? Simplistic is an understatement.


55 posted on 06/11/2005 11:15:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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