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To: orionblamblam; All
I too will take the bait...

I personally believe that ID makes the most sense. Provided that ID = God created everything including the evolutionary process. After all, who am I to place limits on God by claiming that evolution is beyond His power.

Strict fundamentalists beware! Archbishop Ussher's "The earth is 6000 years old" theory was debunked a few hundred years ago. (He created precision out of thin air, folks. Not only did he come up with the year, he somehow wrangled the day. Come on.) As I recall, a contemporary (J. Lightfoot) of his nailed down the exact time!

Heathen (Non-believers/Agnostics/Whatevers) types, your argument that God doesn't exist flies in the face of reason too. Only a caveman would marvel at a book/building/boat and, while proclaiming it's grandeur, credit its existance on itself, rather than the author/architect/shipwright.

Atheists, you are in the interesting position of denying that any author/architect/shipwright ever existed DESPITE the book's/building's/boat's presence. Regardless of this stance, very well thought of philosophers have taken this approach. You have to admit, though, it seems that Hume, Voltaire, Marx, et al. have a personal axe to grind with the Almighty. Their fervor makes me skeptical of their "reasoned" arguments.

That being said, the 800lb gorilla that seems to be lost in the mix is: "What does ANY of this have to do with salvation?"

14 posted on 06/10/2005 10:35:51 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Triggerhippie

I find it hard to believe that ID makes sense.

ID has no explanation whatsoever for extinction of species. ID has no explanation for why all mammals share hemoglobin as the oxygen-transporting molecule in the blood. An "intelligent designer" might have chosen a copper-based molecule or a fluorine-based polymer, rather than use the same old molecule over and over. And over again. Did the designer lack imagination?

ID never explains species of the cat family having retractable claws. Oh, yes--it was a created "kind".

With enough miracles, suspending natural laws, anything is possible. There is no limit under ID. Crop circles, yep, ID. Stalinism, yep, ID. ID removes every aspect of personal moral responsibility.

And, we have this quote from Duane Gish, a famous creationist:
"We have to have intelligent design as our first line of defense for Noah's Flood. The scientists' evidence against the Flood may be successful, and this undercuts the Bible interpretation. Intelligent design is important to focus attention on the Spirit of our Lord."

Awesome--the real problem is Noah's Flood? Which, ironically, ID does not address.









19 posted on 06/10/2005 11:33:44 PM PDT by thomaswest (We are all for God. Who claims to know may be questioned.)
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