Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Top 11 Secrets of a National Retail Sales Tax
Various | 6-10-05 | Always Right

Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 1,241-1,246 next last
To: Principled
Kick around in there. It is indeed a requirement that the 23% amount be shown.

Good. Thanks...

81 posted on 06/10/2005 12:12:36 PM PDT by frogjerk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 79 | View Replies]

To: CondorFlight
The best argument for a sales tax is because it means the government would need to keep NO records on the individual taxpayer.

Then how do individuals get the "pre-bate" checks that are supposed to be sent out every month?

82 posted on 06/10/2005 12:12:39 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: kevkrom
Absolutely. Because your landlord isn't currently paying any taxes at all. Nope. Uh-uh. None.

It's a contract, you brainless jerk.

83 posted on 06/10/2005 12:12:40 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
But it will also be a huge discouragement to people spending and will have a negative effect on our economy.

Patently ridiculous. Even if you don't agree about after-tax prices falling, you'd have to admit that purchasing power would be at least closely equivalent. Also, what are people going to do with their money if they don't spend it? Sure, there will be some increase in savings and investment (hardly a bad thing), but eventually, that money doesn't do you any good unless you buy something with it.

84 posted on 06/10/2005 12:12:51 PM PDT by kevkrom (Jack Bauer / Chloe O'Brien '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance
Unfortunately, given the nature of government, this never happens... :(

Under the NRST, they would have to.

Given the fact that the government has run in the red for the better part of the past 3 decades, I don't see why a switch to the NRST would suddenly stop them from continuing to run in the red and borrow borrow borrow.

85 posted on 06/10/2005 12:13:17 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: balrog666
It's a contract, you brainless jerk.

And you think the landlord can suddenly charge you more rent than is in the contract? Who's the "brainless jerk"?

86 posted on 06/10/2005 12:13:43 PM PDT by kevkrom (Jack Bauer / Chloe O'Brien '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: Always Right

"Interest is also taxed under the sales tax"

Just how did you come to that conclusion?


87 posted on 06/10/2005 12:13:56 PM PDT by QQQQQ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
Granted a National Sales Tax is not perfect, but it is less imperfect than the current tax system. I challenge you or anyone to come up with a system that is less imperfect than this.

I question some of the conclusions you have reached to support your position, but my primary opposition to the current taxation scheme is that it is more about rewarding and punishing behavior than about raising money. This is the primary engine of social engineering and power for congress which is the real root of the opposition to change.

88 posted on 06/10/2005 12:14:13 PM PDT by Natural Law
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
I made that point in #9, but maybe should have given its it own number. Interest is also taxed under the sales tax, but only the amount above the fed rate.

Yes but it is a different matter than the fact that savings will be double taxed, so I think it deserves its own bullet.

89 posted on 06/10/2005 12:14:16 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
Interest is also taxed under the sales tax, but only the amount above the fed rate.

Interest is taxed today. And under the fair tax, if I made $500 in interest on my savings account in a year, the government could not tax it because they wouldn't even know about it because I would no longer have to file any income forms with them.

90 posted on 06/10/2005 12:14:20 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants; Phantom Lord; EternalVigilance; Principled

OK. You guys, I think, have answered that question for me. I appreciate it.


91 posted on 06/10/2005 12:14:40 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Always Right

Wrong. The doctor's personal income is $500,000. Not the cost of his services. You are getting how much money his office takes in confused with income because the collection of sales taxes is unrelated to your income.


To confuse you less, let's say that the person was a nurse working at a hospital for $50k/yr and the drug dealer was small time making $50K. Both spend their entire income to support themselves. The nurse pays all kinds of federal, state, and local taxes on their income while the drug dealer pays nothing. The nurse's pay after taxes is probably about $35,000, while the drug dealer gets to enjoy the entire $50,000 and is able to buy MUCH more than the hard working nurse.


92 posted on 06/10/2005 12:14:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: kevkrom
Sure, there will be some increase in savings and investment (hardly a bad thing), but eventually, that money doesn't do you any good unless you buy something with it.

It's like a millionaire, who can't spend a dime is poorer than a vagrant with $2 in his pocket...;)

93 posted on 06/10/2005 12:15:14 PM PDT by frogjerk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: frogjerk
It's like a millionaire, who can't spend a dime is poorer than a vagrant with $2 in his pocket...;)

Exactly.

94 posted on 06/10/2005 12:16:00 PM PDT by kevkrom (Jack Bauer / Chloe O'Brien '08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
Under the sales tax the doctor must remit $150,000 for sales tax. Meanwhile, the drug dealer should remit $150,000 for sales tax on all the drugs he sold...

But the sales tax is collected on money spent, not earned. So the full tax burden of the doctor AND the drug dealer are collected at purchases for retail.

In the income tax scenario, tax burdens are income, payroll, and embedded. The doctor pays them all, but the drug dealer only pays a portion (the portion embedded in prices).

But again, the nrst puts 100% of one's tax burden in sales tax, which they both pay.

It should be clear that the nrst does indeed capture more of the drug dealer's taxes.

95 posted on 06/10/2005 12:16:48 PM PDT by Principled
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Durus
Yup. I've had that discussion before...without hearing any reasonable explanation of where the taxes come from that the Corporation pays. My supposition based on that particular discussion was the corporate tax fairy paid them.

The government collects $1.3 Trillion from individuals, and $650 Billion from businesses (which includes their half of SS and medicare taxes). Business can remove that $650 Billion from their prices, but that only will reduce prices by about 8%, far less than the 30% sales tax that will be added.

96 posted on 06/10/2005 12:17:04 PM PDT by Always Right
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: justshutupandtakeit
Once the blatantly deceptive idea of "inclusive" taxes was floated I immediately smelled a rat.

The reason it is discussed in tax inclusive terms is that for an apples to apples comparrison you must do it tax inclusive because the income tax is tax inclusive.

To have on tax exclusive and one tax inclusive is a dishonest comparrison of an apple and an automobile.

97 posted on 06/10/2005 12:17:06 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
Gee, now that Boomers are moving into retirement and will be typically consuming more than they produce; there is a move afoot to shift the lion's share of taxes to consumers.

How convenient!

98 posted on 06/10/2005 12:17:32 PM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Always Right
But it will also be a huge discouragement to people spending and will have a negative effect on our economy.

It shows how badly a person has been infected with the tax-and-spend mentality of modern American government when THEY CONSIDER THRIFT TO BE A BAD THING, and a detriment to our economy.

That kind of short-sighted silliness is exactly what has gotten us to this point: the point of overwhelming, overweaning government intrusion into our pocketbooks and our economic lives.

This is the thinking that makes long-term prosperity for individual citizens harder and harder and harder to obtain.

99 posted on 06/10/2005 12:17:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("Quality of life": Another name for the slippery slope into barbarism...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Phantom Lord
(pay $100, retailer gets $70, gov. gets $30)

23% of $70 is $16.10. Total cost $86.10, not $100. Even 30% of $70 is $21 for a total of $91.

100 posted on 06/10/2005 12:17:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 61-8081-100101-120 ... 1,241-1,246 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson