Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right
Ah, but they did not do that, nightie - it was you who claimed that in the last thread and it was debunked in #440:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416127/posts?q=1&&page=440
In case you don't remember, I had counted 11 lies you managed to put forth on that thread. Perhaps I should continue doing that as this comment clearly qualifies as yet another.
Anyone caring to check out how devious you are in your posts can go to the link given and find out about the two whoppers you put forth there (and then tried to lie your way out of them).
I can think of no reason why anyone should believe your material at all.
It's not, but you're too dense, or too stubborn, to admit it.
The only really good tax is no tax.
When I say that I mean that people would not pay taxes.
We would allow the government to tax the creation of money. It would take 10% of all money created by the government in order to run the economy.
Soooooo....here is what would happen.....
1. It would give the government and not the FED the responsibility of printing money. That would give us immediate results in 2 ways. First it would get rid of the monkey on our back that is the Federal Reserve. And it would get rid of the IRS...the enforcement arm of the central bankers.
2. It would keep the government to 10% of the economic power of the US, more than enough to allow it to function within its constitutional limits.
3. It would save massive amounts of enforcement dollars because there would be cheating on any tax that would involve a flat tax or a sales tax. You still would need some agency to enforce any law mandating anyone to file.
3. There would be no filing. No paperwork, no mailing, no reporting to anyone how much you made.
4.There would be no more April 15th and no more anguish that a deadline would make. This is a blind tax. One that requires the government to be job friendly instead of passing laws that benefit the companies that move production overseas.
The flat tax and sales tax people forget that when you have the government collecting data on how much you made or making business a tax collection arm of the government, you get higher costs to cover those expenses.
A tax on the creation of money is the only sane and reasonable tax that would make sense.
My personal return yes, my corporate returns no, but I could.
Are you aware that when a large number of tax 'experts' are asked to each prepare the taxes of one single filer, they invariably arrive at completely different amounts owed by said taxpayer?
Yes, there are many different elections an accountant can make. And many accountants I have run into really don't understand the code and make mistakes.
Why the love affair with an obviously unfair, overly-complicated, convoluted, invasive system?
I have no love affair with it, but I do understand it and I do prosper under our current economy. I do not like the prospects of building and selling houses with a 30% tax added on the price, especially when I know there is no way in hell I can reduce my prices more than 10%. Competing against existing homes that will be 20% cheaper will kill the new home industry. I can now build with cheaper or at the same price as comparable existing homes, under the NRST there is no way.
It's not a "wash" at all. See #787.
Does the thought of the the dismantlement of the IRS, and the destruction of its multitude of files on individual Americans (all of which occurs immediately upon the enactment of the FairTax) warm the cockles of your heart?
(Consider that question a test of how much you love freedom.)
Allow the government to collect the money as soon as it is needed for the economic activity. WIll save time, agrivation and money in the long run.
That's perhaps the funniest thing on the thread...
A guy going down on the Titanic saying "I'll save the ship; jump in my lifeboat".
An interesting concept. The biggest problem is limiting the government to 10%. Once you give the government the power to simply create money, there is nothing to keep them in check and inflation would run out of control. The federal reserves serves a purpose, but I agree the federal reserve system is corrupt and is a huge subsidy for banks.
Uhmmm....100% of accountants, tax attorneys and individual filers 'make mistakes'. Every single one.
There is not an American alive that understands the code as it stands. Not one.
Every American is a lawbreaker, in this sense; since ignorance of the law is no excuse, as they say.
This system is a monstrosity, and you're continuing to defend it.
Have you read the bill? What is the first thing the bill does? Makes the Consumer (read individual) liable for the tax. It relieves the consumer the liability only if they get an offical receipt from a registered retailer with seven pieces of specific information about the purchase. If the Collection agency thinks you owe tax, they can audit you. So even under this proclaimed freedom, you better well keep every receipt of every penny you spend. So no, it really does not warm the crockles of my heart.
If an income tax rate change is attempted it will be done as every tax increase was done by selling people on the idea that it only going to raise someone else's taxes, not their own. The 'rich' will be the target. Those not defined as rich will cheer it.
Try to raise a single rate sales tax that E V E R Y O N E pays and E V E R Y O N E will fight it.
See? It easy if you think about it.
What is your reason for supporting the status quo?
Even though that paragraph is shot through with fallacies, as your posts usually are, I'll ignore that for a moment and say:
What you do, with that attitude, is sacrifice the future liberty and prosperity of our children and grandchildren on the altar of your own self-interest.
No, most returns are simple for most filers. If you don't own a business or have investment income, it is a piece of cake to file. Probably only slightly more time then registering for the rebate under the sales tax.
There is not an American alive that understands the code as it stands. Not one.
Probably not the entire code, but the ones relevant to them, yes there are.
Every American is a lawbreaker, in this sense; since ignorance of the law is no excuse, as they say.
Not all, but probably millions.
This system is a monstrosity, and you're continuing to defend it.
I am all for simplification of the code. I just think the sales tax is a stupid idea. A real stupid idea.
"Gross Payments" you say??? Here's the section of the bill dealing with the receipt required. Where do you see the term "gross payments"?
"`(a) In General- For each purchase of taxable property or services for which a tax is imposed by section 101, the seller shall charge the tax imposed by section 101 separately from the purchase. For purchase of taxable property or services for which a tax is imposed by section 101, the seller shall provide to the purchaser a receipt for each transaction that includes--
`(1) the property or services price exclusive of tax;
`(2) the amount of tax paid;
`(3) the property or service price inclusive of tax;
`(4) the tax rate (the amount of tax paid (per paragraph (2)) divided by the property or service price inclusive of tax (per paragraph (3));
`(5) the date that the good or service was sold;
`(6) the name of the vendor; and
`(7) the vendor registration number."
To most people the "cost" in your context would be what one pays for the thing ... which would be the total price (t-i). IOW, out of pocket price.
Your #811 is one of your most disingenuous posts yet...and that's saying something.
Defending industries like the auto and homebuilding industry may be in my self-interest, but I also beleive it is neccessary for the future of this county. I love this country and think overall it is the greatest country ever and will continue to be so.
Not at all, the 30.0% number is not correct and you surely know it.
Everything I said was true. As long as we have tax collectors trying to collect over $2 Trillion, nobody is off limits to their eyes. They will get into everyones lifes making sure proper taxes were paid on all purchases. If you don't believe that, you are in denial.
Translation: You want a simpler implementation of one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto, aka the income tax.
Which, of course, is a pipedream, a misdirection, anyhow, since the very purpose of the income tax is to control the people, to social engineer, to divide and conquer, to enslave...
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