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To: mdmathis6
Goedel showed that there are statements in math that cannot be proved within math, yet are obviously true and we can see it with our mental powers. This is related to the idea, Goedel's as well, that the human mind cannot be modelled by computing machine. We are not machines, and although math can be handled well with machines, we cannot. Machines do not do intuition.

Physics is all math these days, and so is removed from our humanness and will never be more than mechanical so long as it continues to be all math. Interesting, maybe, that one of the greatest solutions to the cosmology puzzle was plucked from thin air rather than derived, something that annoys many physicists but should not surprise Goedelians.

63 posted on 06/09/2005 8:29:20 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale; VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; All

You wrote:"Physics is all math these days, and so is removed from our humanness and will never be more than mechanical so long as it continues to be all math. Interesting, maybe, that one of the greatest solutions to the cosmology puzzle was plucked from thin air rather than derived, something that annoys many physicists but should not surprise Goedelians."

The Bible says something interesting:"In the Latter days, I(God) will pour our out my spirit upon all flesh, and the old men will dream dreams,the young men will see visions and the women will prophesy" Notice it doesn't say"certain select fundamentalists". It says "all flesh"!

To be human is to be subject to "blind leaps of logic and inspiration" that may seem at first scientifically unsupportable but later are born out by research. How much is even the secular scientist subject to inspirations that seem to arise from the subtle edges of consciousness and dreams that science is hesitant to explore....where perhaps a more quiet voice of concern and love speaks urgently and pleadingly for men to "Come Home!"

Certainly much has been made of early Sci fi writers abilities such as HG Wells and Jules Verne to be able to forecast amazing scientific innovatoions decades before the science could even begin to deal with the dynamics that would lead to such innovations...to "pluck" out of the air as it were our future. Were they not, secular minded though they were, catching a more subtle wave of divine thinking and SHAPING perhaps? Articles have been written complaining that Sci fi writers and thinkers are actually unduly influencing the nature of science, driving the data and creating self-fullfilling prophecies that may be distorting the scientific method!(Ironically making science guilty of using A Priori biases in a way that the Creationists are also accused of)

Science of course can not speak as to the possibility or the non-existence of the divine, it can only deal with "what is strictly before its eyes"...

Ahhh but the dreams....!


66 posted on 06/09/2005 1:14:20 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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