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To: thomas16

As Lonegan has slipped from third to fourth in the polls, the reality is that formula remains: A vote for Lonegan=A Vote for Forrester=A Vote for Corzine.

As what's most important to me is that Conservative ideas are clearly communicated, earlier in the race I was watching Lonegan. But, I was extremely disappointed when he usedDr. Martin Luther King's birthday in a manner certain to alienate African-Americans.

Bret Schundler is firmly against abortion. His public policy statement is to work to build consensus for parental notification and against later-term abortion. For that he was savaged in the last election. It's not reasonable for anyone to claim that a candidate with a stronger position has a better chance of winning.

A number of people claiming to be Lonegan supporters have made many bizarre claims -- BIG LIES -- about Bret Schundler. The strangest -- echoing Amiri Baraka -- is that Bret Schundler had some involvement with 9/11. Also, these same people have parroted McGreevey campaign lies and distortions. This all reminds me very much of the Republicans for McGreevey in 2001. A vote for Lonegan=A Vote for Forrester=A Vote for Corzine.

With Forrester you get a candidate who thinks that abortion is OK. With Corzine you get a governor who considers abortion not just a right, but one that not only can't be regulated, but that government must support without measure.


13 posted on 06/06/2005 4:31:42 AM PDT by thenderson
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To: thenderson
Right on, man. A vote for Lonegan IS a vote for Forrester. I don't know why so many people aren't getting it, because it seems rather obvious to me.

Besides, you're absolutely right on with Lonegan supporters throwing around lies. Hell, they made a post a while back accusing Schundler of having connections to terrorists, because he went to a Sikh temple dressed in Sikh clothing- Sikh, mind you, not Muslim. Some Lonegan supporters are just unbelievably ignorant.

The way they talk, you'd think Schundler was Karl Marx. Hell, Lonegan himself called Schundler a socialist at the debate yesterday. Yet, I just got an e-mail in my inbox saying that BRET SCHUNDLER got the endorsement from National Right to Life, or whatever their name is. Lonegan supporters just aren't telling the truth. I understand why they support the most conservative candidate, but lying to do it, and voting for a guy who has no chance, thus empowering the most liberal guy to get to victory just is not practical or prudent.

15 posted on 06/06/2005 6:10:28 AM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: thenderson

"But, I was extremely disappointed when he usedDr. Martin Luther King's birthday in a manner certain to alienate African-Americans."

Gee, you mean he told them that they should be judged on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, and thus he would oppose affirmative action?! Scandalous! Outrageous! How dare he not feed the meme of entitlement and government-sanctioned bigotry?!

This is the problem I have with the Lonegan-bashers - your active insistence that we need to lie or misrepresent our positions in order to be elected. Screw that! Affirmative action -is- rank bigotry, plain and simple, and if Lonegan had the courage to go into the lion's den to make that clear point where it needed to be made the most, more power to him. If we -can't- win by being honest and principled in our positions, then we seriously shouldn't win at all, and New Jersey should get what it deserves.

You guys want to "win" by attacking our own for standing up for our principles. We should "win" by conceding half the battle before the general election even begins. Screw that. Conservative principles -can- and -should- (and do, elsewhere) win without having to be watered down or supported only in a mealy-mouthed "I'm ashamed of what I stand for so I'll lie about it" manner.

Yeah, New Jersey is liberal right now. Wotta genius you guys are for figuring it out. The thing is, though, that we're not going to win anyone over by being mealy mouthed and lying about where we stand. That just feeds into the "hidden agenda" smear that the Liberals in Canada are using to successfully maintain power even in the face of scandals that actually make corruption in NJ look tame by comparison. The worst thing we can do is "hide" our agenda... our agenda is correct and we can only convince others of that by being open about it and making strong, confident arguments in their favor, not by acting like we're just trying to sneak our way into office and then enact our agenda against the voter's wishes.

The biggest problem in NJ government is dishonest politicans. We want to solve the problem. You're doing so by attacking the one honest politician on this ballot and supporting instead those who will be "properly" apologetic for conservative positions. If you're that ashamed of conservatism, go ahead and vote Schundler, but leave me out of it, thank you.

Qwinn


19 posted on 06/06/2005 6:40:42 AM PDT by Qwinn
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