Dinosaur bones show T. rex link to birds

Reuters ^ | 2005-06-02 | Maggie Fox

[Modernman]

Not sure there isnt. They do have a water God. Reading about him leads you to different kinds of stories about floods. Beyond that though there are other cultures that record it.

That's kind of a dodge. Something as massive and world-shattering as a global flood is not likely to be told of in metaphor.

[wallcrawlr]

Its ok to call it a dodge if you want. But there is more than metaphor out there.
I'm not sure I could trust the MSM to report it accurately no matter when it occured.

[King Prout]

well, actually, the Genesis Flood wouldn't be in the Egyptian records at all... there'd be records right up to that date, and then a hieroglyph meaning "a sodden gurgle", and then nothing. ever. after.

as this is contrary to fact...

[Modernman]

Nice dodge. Most cultures have a global flood account that is approx. 80% similar.

Most cultures speak about a big boat filled with animals? I doubt it. To pick a big one, Classical Greek and Roman mythology doesn't mention a world flood. The Norse and their relatives don't have any such story, either.

Concerning Egyptian records, how many kings and cities have been swept away by the desert sands?

We have pretty good written records from the Egyptians going back well past when the flood supposedly happened. There is no break in the Egyptian chronology.

Your asking me to disprove a negative. (i.e. Why is something not there?) I'm not taking the bait.

I can get the same result by asking you to explain why those records still exist. Egyptian writings go back to about 4500 BC. Papyrus was invented around 3000 BC. Papyrus doesn't respond well to water, and yet we have many, many Papyrus writings from before the date that the flood was supposed to have happened. Can you explain their survival?

Most likely, the Biblical flood story comes from around 2200 BC, when Sumerian priests invented mythic science fiction, and wrote a story about the flooding of the earth involving many gods and a pious king Ziusdra. Around 1800 BC, the Bablyonians adapt and expand the flood story in their Epic of Gilgamesh involving the pious king Atrahasis. Around 500 BCE, Hebrew priests in Babylonia take the regionally popular flood story, reduce the gods to one, and demote the king to a commoner named Noah.

[Modernman]

well, actually, the Genesis Flood wouldn't be in the Egyptian records at all... there'd be records right up to that date, and then a hieroglyph meaning "a sodden gurgle", and then nothing. ever. after.

There shouldn't be any records from before the flood, anyway. At least, not ones on papyrus (40 days of submersion in water is not good for Papyrus). And yet, there are.

[King Prout]

IIRC, it would have been more than 40 days of immersion. the rains supposedly lasted for forty days, but the drowning of the world supposedly dragged on for months and months... dang, where is my KJV?

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowf.

anyway, your point is well made. whether the True Believers take it is another matter.

[wallcrawlr]

Most likely, the Biblical flood story comes from around 2200 BC, when Sumerian priests invented mythic science fiction, and wrote a story about the flooding of the earth involving many gods and a pious king Ziusdra. Around 1800 BC, the Bablyonians adapt and expand the flood story in their Epic of Gilgamesh involving the pious king Atrahasis. Around 500 BCE, Hebrew priests in Babylonia take the regionally popular flood story, reduce the gods to one, and demote the king to a commoner named Noah.

Nice conclusion. I dont believe it but at least you posted what you believe. I appreciate the discussion.

[NATIVEDAUGHTER]

The recovery of "soft" tissue after millions and millions of years favors the Creationist argument more than anything else...This guy quoted belongs in the "Flat Earth Society"...

[Dawsonville_Doc]

Hey, wow... Inherit The Wind dinner theatre... How goes it, KP?

[VadeRetro]

We have pretty good written records from the Egyptians going back well past when the flood supposedly happened. There is no break in the Egyptian chronology.

Creationists will of course try to claim the chronology is wrong. It can't be wrong enough. Predynastic culture blends rather smoothly with Old Kingdom culture in ways that disallow any total replacement of one people by a completely different one for the last six or so thousand years.

[Dimensio]

The recovery of "soft" tissue after millions and millions of years favors the Creationist argument more than anything else.

1) Why? Are you aware that the tissue wasn't really "soft" when it was initially found?

2) What "Creationist" argument does it favor?

[King Prout]

I don't get the reference, but howdy back atcha.

things here are pretty good. In a week I get to go attend the wedding of a woman I love very much... and I am not the groom :(

but she did ask me to come up, and it'll be nice to see her.

how's life in Kalifornistan?

[King Prout]

Most likely, the Biblical flood story comes from around 2200 BC, when Sumerian priests invented mythic science fiction, and wrote a story about the flooding of the earth involving many gods and a pious king Ziusdra. Around 1800 BC, the Bablyonians adapt and expand the flood story in their Epic of Gilgamesh involving the pious king Atrahasis. Around 500 BCE, Hebrew priests in Babylonia take the regionally popular flood story, reduce the gods to one, and demote the king to a commoner named Noah.

Nice conclusion. I dont believe it but at least you posted what you believe. I appreciate the discussion.

don't assign that explanation to me - I, for one, favor the idea that the biblical flood story (and the Gilgamesh story, as well as a lot of other ones) is the garbled hand-me-down of oral traditions concerning the great flood following the collapse of the great-lakes ice-wall at the end of the last glaciation.

[wallcrawlr]

don't assign that explanation to me

I didnt. Obviously I quoted mod. Because you were posting on the same thing I was...out of courtesy I included you so as not to ignore you.

[King Prout]

just making things absolutely clear - a LOT of false attribution goes on in CREVO threads.

[wallcrawlr]

I ask myself, "Why the hate?" but as I stick around with these threads I see there is a lot of bitterness.

I understand your need for clarity. Later...

[Doctor Stochastic]

To pick a big one, Classical Greek and Roman mythology doesn't mention a world flood. The Norse and their relatives don't have any such story, either.

Probably because these are Indo-European myths rather than Semitic ones.

[dread78645]

Another2x4 place mark

[Dustbunny]

2. does this mean that t.rex tastes like chicken?

Or does chicken taste like t.rex.

[Elsie]

Leftists always claim to support tolerance and diversity, but always end up insulting and name-calling anyone who disagrees with them.....

PSSST!

You're talking with one of these...