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To: jackbob
I've searched through you replies at FR and I do not see where you commonly defend libertarians on any grounds. The fact that you like the communists, socialists, fascists, monarchist, democrats, republicans, can find some areas of agreement from time to time does not prove that you "commonly defend libertarians" as you claim.

Well, my pro-libertarian comments were most recently removed by the moderator in the "A libertarian constitution" thread. I have no idea why because I do not use profanity. But here is the response to my post. Hopefully it should make the context clear. And my posting history is pretty consistent with wanting to get back to a pre-FDR size Federal Government.

You are also correct that "out-of-wedlock first birth rate has never been even a third as high as it is these past few decades." But that was not the topic of discussion that libertarians were answering when then say "block that channel," as you imply.

Sure they are, posts 42, 81, 89, 97, 104 and plenty of others in this thread a few examples. I think they all would agree that a parent needs to do more than block channels on the TV set. Some would even say, don't block the channel, instead teach your children. But that kind of discourse didn't arise here as the topic of the thread was not how to raise children.

My wife was raised in a Christian household and her mothers solution was to watch MTV with her children. But again, we have to face the choice to either isolate our children socially, or to give in to the corrupting influences of society. I don't want my daughters to have to come home crying because the other girls tease them for not dressing fashionable (read: like a prostitute). But I know plenty of parents that face that every day.

You are also correct that "out-of-wedlock first birth rate has never been even a third as high as it is these past few decades." But that was not the topic of discussion that libertarians were answering when then say "block that channel," as you imply.

This comes from what libertarian economists such as the Austrians often refer to as "What is seen, and what is not seen." We don't have two independent trends in the United States: liberal economics and liberal morals. We have one trend towards liberalism and they reinforce each other.

As far as causes for out of wedlock pregnancies among teenage girls goes, you already identified a primary cause that could be solved with of out interfering with the First Amendment. Maybe you recall it. Back on May 31st you wrote in We Must Not Pay Teens to be MUMS - #26"

Good research! But like it or not, there are parents that are out there raising kids in a hostile environment today. There are daughters that today are being socially isolated from their peers because they don't dress like the girls in a booty video.

180 posted on 06/05/2005 1:37:25 PM PDT by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Jibaholic
Well, my pro-libertarian comments were most recently removed by the moderator... I have no idea why...

Wow! So you made a pro-libertarian comment on a thread that can not be read because it was removed by the moderator. Now that really sounds like you "commonly defend libertarians," and there by proves that you "defend them in most threads" as you stated in reply #12. Hmmm... with that kind of proof, its no wonder that our country has been loosing its morality at an expedited rate. Without honesty, there can be no real morality.

And my posting history is pretty consistent with wanting to get back to a pre-FDR size Federal Government.

That's nice, but it has nothing to do in the slightest with libertarianism, or defending libertarians.

You ought to go back an reread replies #42, 81, 89, 97, 104. Not one of them was addressing the topic of "out-of-wedlock first birth rate" as you claim.

But again, we have to face the choice to either isolate our children socially, or to give in to the corrupting influences of society.

Actually good parents have always had to do both and a good deal more. It sounds to me like you don't want the challenge of parenting, preferring instead that government do your parenting responsibilities for you. If that is the case, then you probably shouldn't be a parent. But I know, you are now stuck with the responsibility. Well then do it, and stop trying to get government to do it for you.

This comes from what libertarian economists such as the Austrians often refer to as "What is seen, and what is not seen."

The concept you speak of here is from "That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen," written by Frederic Bastiat, a Frenchman, and one of the most entertaining of the fathers of modern libertarian theory. The concept pre- dates the Austrian school. I think it would be worth your time to read it. At least before attempting to use it. Likewise, you might want to use a dictionary before spouting off about "liberal" trends.

There are daughters that today are being socially isolated from their peers because they don't dress like the girls in a booty video.

There are always going to be daughters isolated from their peers for a wide range of reasons. I hope you really do not believe that government should step in and prevent such isolations.

181 posted on 06/05/2005 4:04:13 PM PDT by jackbob
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