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First they came for Howard Stern. Now they're coming for Cable TV.
http://action.downsizedc.org ^ | 5 8 05 | downsizedc.com

Posted on 06/02/2005 1:17:06 PM PDT by freepatriot32

The Danger.

No bill has been introduced yet, but Senator Stevens has promised one, and when it arrives it is likely to come straight out of the Commerce Committee he chairs and move directly to a vote with little time for public comment. The time to act is now.

You can read more about this at...

Center for American Progress: Think Again: The New Content Commissars

Jammed.com: Transcript of Sen. Stevens' remarks on Internet "indecency" laws

DownsizeDC.org commentary

This bill would deny you the right to watch mature programming on cable TV for the sake of parents who are too lazy and irresponsible to bear the burden of doing their jobs as parents. Those parents who object to cable TV programming already have several ways to deal with this problem:

They can buy a reduced set of cable programming (this is the approach used by DownsizeDC.org President Jim Babka who has three children under 10).

They can no have cable at all, but rely on broadcast TV only (which is now heavily censored).

They can restrict cable to only one part of their house and not allow their children to watch TV there.

They can block cable channels they consider inappropriate for their children. But some parents, rather than take any of these responsible steps, want Congress to do their parenting for them, at the expense of everyone else who wants to be able to watch mature programming.

And, we might add, Congress has no constitutional authority for such censorship, something that should concern every American who still cares about constitutional legality.

Many Americans have excused broadcast censorship because the government supposedly owns the broadcast spectrum, but no such excuse exists here. Congress can make no claim to own cable networks, local cable providers, or even the TV sets in your home. They simply don't have the authority.

Why Take Action?

Please help us stop the growth of the nanny state.

Please help us stop the Congressional urge to turn the entire country into Disneyland.

Please help us preserve the benefits of adulthood. Please help us preserve the First Amendment.

Please don't reward the busy-bodies who think they know what's best for you and your family.

Please stop the political habit of using children as an excuse for extinguishing American freedom.

Please don't let Congress reward the whining of irresponsible parents who want others to do their job for them. To send your message to Congress opposing this censorship click here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
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To: Petronski
"Define please."

Yes. ..."protocols" in the sense of wavelength modulation, demodulation, other filtering, coding and decoding methods.
121 posted on 06/02/2005 8:22:38 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

If you please, are you referring to over-the-air broadcasts, or subscriber-only cable/satellite services. Both use NTSC/FCC (and other) engineering protocols, as I understand it.


122 posted on 06/02/2005 8:25:05 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: SoVaDPJ
"Cable ain't public."

Show me more cable companies and less influence on our government. I worked a contract for that creepy corp. The holders and officers were radical social misfits--way to the left.
123 posted on 06/02/2005 8:29:15 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Petronski
"If you please, are you referring to over-the-air broadcasts, or subscriber-only cable/satellite services."

...service. Alright, forget protocols for a moment. I'm referring to so-called "networks" that deliver through both of the above.

The founders of this country did not distinguish between what was commercial or free with regards to obsenity, and neither do I. They supported laws, which they had a right to make, against either. Given the lack of competition with that service, selling anti-family propaganda through every cable and satellite feed channel is comparable to Microsoft putting the same in every default Windows root window.

If our elite wish to destroy families to stay ahead of the rabble, that tactic can work both ways.
124 posted on 06/02/2005 8:40:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop

Look, the thing y'all don't understand is that when they censor one thing that people find offensive, it's easier to do it the next time. That's what the First Amendment is all about. Atheists are offended by religion. Let the government run TV and it's goodbye religious programming. Stop it. Control your own environment, teach your kids that your family does not approve of what's on cable, and stop asking the government to place more and more restrictions on people--because if you think they're going to stop outside YOUR door, you are sadly mistaken.


125 posted on 06/02/2005 8:41:44 PM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: familyop

I agree.

Network broadcasts should have tighter limits. I thought the late 80s struck a pretty good balance as far as what should be on broadcast or not.



But these folks who want to mess with subscriber-only cable are nuts.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, and I don't think I AM being pedantic. There's a very big difference between the two. I also think Howard Stern should be thrown off the air, yet I have no problem with his new Sirius show. Listeners have to pay and go out of their way to get it...it's a private transaction. More power to him.


126 posted on 06/02/2005 8:45:08 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: familyop

LOL good post to liberal logic.


127 posted on 06/02/2005 8:50:27 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: cmsgop

what is that?


128 posted on 06/02/2005 8:51:46 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: freepatriot32

How's the pot smoking going?


129 posted on 06/02/2005 8:52:07 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Compassion is a great thing. Just quit making me pay for YOURS with MY money!!!)
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To: Petronski

For all intents and purposes, Cable and Satellite are the new "public" broadcasts because there are no viable alternatives. That gives them a monopoly on what channels they can "package" together with little input from the consumer.

The only way this can be done fairly is to let the consumer choose their own channels from the lineups the cable companies offer (premium ones would still cost more of course). Otherwise people who object to the garbage but want access to broadcasts are still having to foot the bill for all of it.

This would be a wiser way of pursuing this than blanket restrictions IMHO.


130 posted on 06/02/2005 8:56:29 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: streetpreacher
For all intents and purposes, Cable and Satellite are the new "public" broadcasts because there are no viable alternatives.

No viable alternatives?

a) Nothing.

b) Basic Package

c) Channel lockout

d) Antenna only



Puh-leaze.

131 posted on 06/02/2005 8:59:09 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Jewelsetter

Then quit watching TV or listening to radio because unless you are oblivious you'd know government has been deciding what we can watch and listen to for DECADES!

The biggest arm of force they have is the FCC itself and it's licensing procedures. Why can't you listen to a radio station on 106.75 FM out of Los Angeles while living in Chicago? Easy. They won't let you. The technology is there for them to broadcast their signal to you. But then you'd be deprived of a "local" source of radio on 106.75 FM.

The same goes for TV and even cable. So unless you are willing to forgo all of those rules, you can't whine. And most people won't because they like the monopolies of their geography even though it's becoming more and more irrelavent.

And I'd assume you'd also be for getting rid of those ridiculous rules that require public broadcast stations to re-up for their licenses under the concept they are "serving the commiunity". Who cares? It's a business. Or that they no longer have to air those stupid "public service announcements".

I'm sure you would as do I. But at the same time you have to grant the argument that total lack of rules will allow porn on free TV (oh wait, there are soaps) or the F word, etc. Can't say we should have restrictions on those without the government "deciding". And you have to remember we are the government and community standards, which is the basis for many of these laws, should probably apply.

At least we still don't have the fairness doctrine which let the MSM hold a monopoly on political speech.


132 posted on 06/02/2005 9:01:05 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Compassion is a great thing. Just quit making me pay for YOURS with MY money!!!)
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To: familyop
Do you agree that murder, rape and lifesaving medicine should be banned?
[Little sarcasm and irony there.]


ROFL...
I like both sarcasm and irony, but you're off base. Control of media has nothing in common with murder, rape and life saving medicine.

Our last seventy years of history prove that whenever we try to legislate morality the result is always the same...Morality decreases, liberty decreases, respect for law decreases and crime increases.

Government control of cable will expand if allowed. It will include the internet and telephone. What you view will be dictated by a government official, and that will include religion. Picture a liberal administration and an ACLU lawsuit. The media will offer you diversity and political correctness that conforms to government regulations. Those porn watching, Christian bashing liberals who you fear want to do away with your religion will do it with the help of a law supported by you. It always works out that way.
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133 posted on 06/02/2005 9:02:44 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: Jibaholic
Let me try to speak libertarian to you.The shared morals of a society are an externality. If those shared morals are negative then the statist solution is for government to regulate them

ROTFLMAO!
Did you intentionally quote Benito Mussolini?
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134 posted on 06/02/2005 9:08:30 PM PDT by mugs99
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To: mugs99

If you don't respect the right of people you hate to access their first amendment rights then you really don't believe in the first amendment or freedom for that manner.


135 posted on 06/02/2005 9:21:56 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: Petronski
Well, I probably shouldn't have said "viable" so you got me on that.  Instead, I should have written "quality" alternatives. I'll go with the two alternatives you did list (the other two are alternatives but I'm assuming most people would not choose "nothing" and antenna is pretty close to that).

b) Basic Package - not bad, but pretty generic and you still haven't addressed the overriding factor of "choice".  Do you get to choose the lineup?

c) Channel lockout - the worst, you're still paying for the locked out channels.  You're just getting less for the same price.

Wouldn't a better alternative look like this?

From ALL non-premium channels, choose:

a) 10 channels

b) 20 channels

c) 40 channels

d) 80 channels

etc., the numbers are not important but you get my drift.  The one reason this would never go over is because most of us with common sense would "pick and choose" and go with option B with some premium movie channels added on and the providers wouldn't be able to make a killing hawking 90+ channels of garbage (and I'm thinking of entertainment quality here, not merely decency).

I still this makes more sense than regulating the content of cable and satellite companies as it would truly put the power of choice in the hands of the consumer.

136 posted on 06/02/2005 9:28:12 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: streetpreacher
Wouldn't a better alternative look like this?

From ALL non-premium channels, choose:

a) 10 channels

b) 20 channels

c) 40 channels

d) 80 channels

We'd all love a la carte, but it would kill marginal channels. The sewers like MTV and such would survive, IMHO, but the educational stuff would suffer crib death.

137 posted on 06/02/2005 9:31:43 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: streetpreacher
Let me be more specific.

Wouldn't a better alternative look like this?

In the short run, for the consumer, yes. No doubt.

But a "race for the bottom" would ensue. The smart channels would dumb down, the really smart channels would wither and die, and the pathetic channels would spawn like mad.

138 posted on 06/02/2005 9:33:21 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Petronski

No, because I have a solution. We could just FORCE them to keep the educational channels... could even subsidize them with tax dollars if need be... yeah, that's the ticket.


139 posted on 06/02/2005 9:46:21 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: streetpreacher

Heh heh heh.


140 posted on 06/02/2005 9:51:00 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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