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Homolka hearing begins in Quebec Court (Canada's 'school girl killer' being set free)
Globe and Mail - Toronto, Canada ^ | Thursday, June 2, 2005 | TERRY WEBER

Posted on 06/02/2005 11:15:52 AM PDT by GMMAC

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To: GMMAC

I saw a documentary about this case, and it was about the sickest thing I've ever seen. I think this couple pulled the teeth out of their victim, the tortured their victims. Really, it was really quite sick. I'm amazed she's ever getting out.


21 posted on 06/02/2005 11:54:50 AM PDT by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: Trust but Verify
because it is an insult to thiee victums and the victums' families.

I mean, THEY can't be brought back but they diserve justice.

22 posted on 06/02/2005 11:55:15 AM PDT by Pippin
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To: Trust but Verify
Why would anyone object to a cold-blooded killer, who got a very light sentence only because she agreed to rat out another killer, being carefully monitored upon her release from prison? Who would be harmed by that?

Dunno 'bout Canada, but here in the US your legal standing is either innocent or guilty. Either you've paid your debt to society and you're off the hook, or you haven't and you're not...and that's the way it should be.

The big exception is that we've started doing Big-Brother-type surveillance on released sex offenders. I think that's wrong. If we're not going to let them actually be free, we should just keep 'em in jail. Better yet, give 'em a death sentence. Because if they're not "reformed" enough to turn 'em loose completely, they're not reformed enough to let out of jail period.

Once we invent this quasi-legal status of your-debt-is-paid-but-we're-keeping-tabs-on-you, you can apply it to anyone. Who's going to own the list of categories of people who get watched? What keeps us from putting most anyone under surveillance?

Who would be harmed? Us. By the precedent it sets.

23 posted on 06/02/2005 11:59:42 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Pippin
THEY can't be brought back but they deserve justice.

And even more important is protecting the public from future crimes. I read a book by a LEO who studied this case, and Karla was just as guilty as her husband. She is a threat to society, and the judges who let her plead out will answer to God if there are more tortures and deaths.

24 posted on 06/02/2005 12:01:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Who needs pictures when you can have words?)
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To: Pippin

***I nhave a question, why is this witch only getting 12 years for killing three people?***

Pippin, she got a "sweetheart deal" for turning state's evidence against Paul. Some feel that it was just plain PC, and that government people eventually received promotions for furthering the PC deal.


25 posted on 06/02/2005 12:02:12 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: Tax-chick

I don't think she should EVER be let out.


26 posted on 06/02/2005 12:02:42 PM PDT by Pippin
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To: kitkat
That's a scandal!

she did the crime so she oughta do the time

All of it!

27 posted on 06/02/2005 12:03:52 PM PDT by Pippin
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The insult to the victims is the light sentence she got. What I'm saying is, if they are going to let her go anyway, which appears to be the case, how could anyone, even the perps lawyer object to monitoring?


28 posted on 06/02/2005 12:11:05 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: GMMAC; Eric in the Ozarks
Ice Queen. She gives new meaning to the phrase. I am aghast that she received the sweetheart plea and is actually being released after 12 years. And while behind bars was corresponding with a similar murderer! Planning round 2, perhaps? Gee, did the prison officials think that might point to lack of remorse or correction on her part?? Incredible.

She is truly a sociopath, unable to emote or empathize and every bit as dangerous as Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer. Or her husband. She should never be released. The details of the cases are/were difficult to read. I can't imagine what it must be like to be the victims families hearing of her release.

29 posted on 06/02/2005 12:13:32 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Oberon
Your debt is paid only after you have complied with the terms of your parole. Until then, people should have the expectation that these predators are being tracked to some degree.

I, BTW, am of the school of thought where sex predators get a life sentence. No parole, no chance to re-offend. Since we apparently do not have the stomach for that, I see nothing wrong with keeping tabs on them. For their protection as well as for the rest of society. If they don't like it, they could always ask to be kept incarcerated.

30 posted on 06/02/2005 12:14:00 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Pippin

I agree.


31 posted on 06/02/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Who needs pictures when you can have words?)
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To: GMMAC

"Published reports out of Quebec earlier in the week have alleged she has been corresponding with Jean-Paul Gerbert, a male inmate who has been incarcerated in Quebec for the 1998 second-degree murder of his girlfriend, 23-year-old Cathy Caretta. She was strangled after trying to break up with Mr. Gerbet."

Somebody ought to arrange an in-person meeting between these two.
Unsupervised, of course.


32 posted on 06/02/2005 12:17:33 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GMMAC

I've not read the actual deal but many assessments by those that have seem to suggest there is evidence that she did not live up to her obligations in her disclosures and that it could and should be tossed out, i.e. try her and let a jury decide her fate.

That no prosecutor has even picked up the Jane Doe rape case to keep her locked up leaves me equally suspicious of what's driving this. For years politicians have been wringing their hands over the deal but not one of them has even tested it in the courts. Sure our courts are crap but for goodness sake put it to some sort of test.


33 posted on 06/02/2005 12:21:53 PM PDT by thecanuck
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To: Trust but Verify
With regard to the whole concept of parole, I say again:

...if they're not "reformed" enough to turn 'em loose completely, they're not reformed enough to let out of jail period.

The same goes for sex offenders, to my mind. Of course, my recommendations will never have the force of law.

34 posted on 06/02/2005 12:22:37 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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"Tell your daughters not to trust ANY man whom they don't know a great deal about."

As the loving father of children of both genders, I sincerely hope you'll agree that this warning plainly works both ways. Doubtless no reasonable parent wants their son with the likes of a woman Holmolka either.
35 posted on 06/02/2005 12:32:24 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: B4Ranch

Myself, she did her full sentence in prison. Leave her alone.

B4Ranch: you may feel differently if you get more information. The link below tells the whole story. I didn't read her psychiatrist's diagnosis, but surely she's psychotic and sociopathic, with some severe personality disorders thrown in too.

The police bear much of the responsibility that this case was not solved while the husband was still "just" a serial rapist: they never followed up on the evidence they already had. They also neglected to publicly post excellent composite drawings in time to save these girls.

www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/ notorious/bernardo/updates.html

36 posted on 06/02/2005 12:46:48 PM PDT by InkStone
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To: windcliff

ping


37 posted on 06/02/2005 12:48:04 PM PDT by stylecouncilor
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To: thecanuck
"I've not read the actual deal but many assessments by those that have seem to suggest there is evidence that she did not live up to her obligations in her disclosures and that it could and should be tossed out, i.e. try her and let a jury decide her fate.
That no prosecutor has even picked up the Jane Doe rape case to keep her locked up leaves me equally suspicious of what's driving this. For years politicians have been wringing their hands over the deal but not one of them has even tested it in the courts. Sure our courts are crap but for goodness sake put it to some sort of test.


Unfortunately, the government personnel involved initially placed a far higher priority on advancing their pro-feminist, politically correct personal agendas than they did on the rights, sensibilities and entitlement to fair justice of the additional victims.

Now you can add covering their behinds in the face of current firestorm of thoroughly justified public outrage to that original priority.
Most likely the elite arrogance of those involved blinded them from ever seeing this day approaching! Besides, they've got government jobs for life in Ontario.

38 posted on 06/02/2005 12:51:36 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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Re: She served her full sentence in prison. Leave her alone.

The fact that she served a full sentence ought to tell you one thing, that the authorities didn't want to let her out before they had to.

Second, the "deal with the devil" she got for testifying against Paul Barnardo was made without the public knowing everything that she had done together with him in torture, rape and murder of the innocent victims.


39 posted on 06/02/2005 1:06:13 PM PDT by RightCanuck
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To: Trust but Verify

She did what the Court ordered her to do. Her sentencing should be done with. If the Court wanted to add on a lifetime sentence of parole then it certainly had the opportunity to do so at the trial.

It ticks me off when I see any officials who think they have the right to say "Oops, we should have done this" and then add it on.

That's like when the legislators try to inch their way to a final goal. Come right out and say we are going to ban all weapons forever instead of this registration first crappola.


40 posted on 06/02/2005 2:32:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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