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Mountain Brook girl disappears during senior trip to Aruba
AP via AL.com ^ | 6/1/2005 | AP

Posted on 06/02/2005 8:02:49 AM PDT by SamFromLivingston

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To: em2vn

A newspaper from area reports that she was near Carlos & Charlie's after an evening out and got into the car with three other persons. No mention of drinking.


141 posted on 06/02/2005 10:09:54 AM PDT by bwteim
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To: Labyrinthos
"If parents stopped trying to control every aspect of their children's lives, then maybe 18 year old adults wouldn't need mommy and daddy watching over them."

You and I have disagreed in this forum on the expansion of liberty issues, but I cannot agree with you more on the subject stated above.

The greatest gift a parent can give to their children is individualism and self-sufficiency.

Life is full of situations were the risk of injury or death is imminent.

Teach your children to discern and analyze "risk" as correctly as possible.

My deepest and heartfelt empathy for the parents of this missing girl.

142 posted on 06/02/2005 10:10:01 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: Broker

Yes. Many American youth are sheltered. My sister loved Japan as it was really safe. The only people you ever worried about were foreigners taking advantage of the lax atmosphere. Also, she went to Vietnam and Thailand and you didn't worry about the locals. You worried about the Europerverts on the beach. The one piece of advice I consistently follow is not to drink from strangers. Don't drink from an unattended open container,etc.etc.


143 posted on 06/02/2005 10:11:56 AM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: SamFromLivingston

http://www.aruba.com/news/


144 posted on 06/02/2005 10:16:10 AM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: cyborg

Exactly. It's the big question of the universe. Why is Charles Manson still alive (no cancer, no MS, etc. no hideous pustules on his face) Why do children die EVER? It rains on the just and the unjust. It is an imperfect world and stuff happens. I hate it too.


145 posted on 06/02/2005 10:17:39 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Victor
How do you know this?

Long story. But do a Google search on "Mike Posner" and Aruba. Then go to this site: http://www.ipsn.org/OutfitChart.htm and see where Michael Posner falls on the table of organization as part of the Northside crew. He did time on a tax beef back in the 1980s, at which time he was identified in the Sun-Times as the "Vice Kingpin of the Northwest Suburbs", although he also had interests downtown. He did his time and kept his mouth shut, and the mob rewarded him by putting him in charge of their Aruba operations.

146 posted on 06/02/2005 10:22:36 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: em2vn

Bwahahahahaha. . . .stop it. . .you are killing me. . .


147 posted on 06/02/2005 10:31:43 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: af_vet_1981

I didn't say they have no connection to her or what may have happened to her. I don't know what happened to her and I don't think you know, either. She may have been raped/murdered/torutured/sold into slavery/run off on her own/kidnapped/whatever. You didn't say you fear she was raped and murdered, you said she was raped and murdered. If you know that to be the case, I suggest you contact authorities because you obviously have more information than they do.


148 posted on 06/02/2005 10:32:08 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
You didn't say you fear she was raped and murdered, you said she was raped and murdered.

Neither did I write that I know she was raped and murdered.

I wrote what I think is likely to have happened. I pray she will be found safely. I doubt this will be so.

I try to avoid redundant and trite language so I tend not to use phrases like IMHO, I think, etc. unless the reader might be confused. Obviously that happened in this case.

149 posted on 06/02/2005 10:36:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: tahiti
My deepest and heartfelt empathy for the parents of this missing girl.

I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet. I lived in Aruba back in the 70's before the tourist boom. Contrary to the belief expressed in many of the posts here, Aruba does have a police force and many governement postions are staffed by Dutch nationals. And the Dutch Antillies is not by any means a third world country at least by Carribean/African/Central American standards. I realize that a lot can change in the 30 years since I lived there, but back then, the Island was relatively crime-free, which says a lot considering it housed one of the largest oil refineries in the Western Hemisphere, which produced a lot of drunken merchant sailors and oil workers.

True story: When I lived there, my 19 year old sister came to visit for a few days. On day five she "disappeared" for two days. Turns out she hooked up with a 20 year old guy from Chicago she met in one of the casinos. She was all smiles when she finally showed up for breakfast one morning and didn't think her disappearance was a big deal.

150 posted on 06/02/2005 10:47:19 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: AppyPappy
It's insane that parents pay for that madness.

My class paid for our senior trip with money we had made from bake sales, car washes, bingo games, etc...from grades 7-12.

151 posted on 06/02/2005 10:55:06 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: 2banana

War zone in the interior? More data please.


152 posted on 06/02/2005 10:55:33 AM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: GOP_Proud
She could just as easily left a nightclub with 3 scumbags in her home town.

There would probably be a difference in drinking laws. Also, when people are in a different country, they are far less able to read clues about another person's character. I think it is more likely for a drunk young girl on vacation to get fooled by men from a Carribean shantytown who have deliberately spiffed up and gone trolling near the tourist areas, than for the same girl to be fooled while sober by some thugs from a housing project near her parent's wealthy suburban home.

153 posted on 06/02/2005 11:11:13 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: cyborg
My sister went to Europe with her class and had no problems and she was seventeen.

The Carribean ain't Europe.

154 posted on 06/02/2005 11:13:16 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Broker
It is absolutely essential to get American youth out into the world.

Why?

155 posted on 06/02/2005 11:27:41 AM PDT by StrictTime (Shameless BUMP for Taglinus FreeRepublicus!!)
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To: SamFromLivingston
I took a trip to Dominica years ago. I often still wonder what life would be like if I had missed the return flight...sigh

No plane on Sunday
Maybe be one come Monday...

156 posted on 06/02/2005 11:30:02 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: All
Another photo of Natalee:


157 posted on 06/02/2005 12:03:55 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: rogue yam

I disagree but thanks for your opinion anyway.


158 posted on 06/02/2005 12:09:54 PM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: Quilla

wasnt there a similiar story last year in the Caribean?


159 posted on 06/02/2005 12:27:59 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: StrictTime

You asked why get them out into the world. We can teach and guide them out with love and care to allow them to appreciate many things. First, how dog-gone lucky they are to have this great country. More importantly, they are our future leaders who must understand how the world works and how to exploit this knowledge.


160 posted on 06/02/2005 12:29:28 PM PDT by Broker (Kapich?)
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