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To: P_A_I
Restoring the Lost Constitution is an impressive attempt to demonstrate that our written Constitution enacted into law a sweeping and highly libertarian theory of natural rights and limited government.

A limited federal government. That was the intention of the founding fathers.

Barnett apparently approves of the prevailing sweeping interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment, which gave birth to the federal leviathan, which has since encroached insidiously into all aspects of life.

And anyway, when libertarian argument is distilled to its essence, even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs. That is the fire in its furnace.

3 posted on 06/01/2005 3:13:33 PM PDT by JCEccles (Andrea Dworkin--the Ward Churchill of gender politics.)
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To: JCEccles
And anyway, when libertarian argument is distilled to its essence, even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs. That is the fire in its furnace

I'm a born-again Christian but I think that argument is bunk. The Founding Fathers and early Americans were not a bunch of pot smoking sex fiends. When teenage girls didn't get welfare checks for having sex they had to remain chaste until marriage. When getting a divorce meant establishing fault men didn't leave their wives for younger, prettier women. When the Government didn't provide poverty programs for the poor you had to learn a trade or get an education. The private charities that filled those needs before Big Government pushed them aside used to provide moral and Christian counseling along with financial assistance. Let's shrink the government NOW.

7 posted on 06/01/2005 3:22:52 PM PDT by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: JCEccles
How is this "Second, he maintains that the Constitution requires courts to protect these natural rights by invalidating all federal laws that unnecessarily or improperly abridge them." different from the priciples of Republicanism prior to the New Deal?
8 posted on 06/01/2005 3:28:25 PM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: JCEccles
when libertarian argument is distilled to its essence, even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs.

I dont care if anyone wants sex or drugs, and it is none of governments business. However, what is wrong with the Libertarian party, is that they want open borders, and no limits on immigration. Just how long would freedom last if we let in 500 million anti gun anti Bill of Rights foreigners in one year?

Until and unless the LIbertarians change their platform to secure our borders, and limit immigration, no one is going to vote for them.

13 posted on 06/01/2005 3:36:53 PM PDT by SandyB
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To: JCEccles
"Restoring the Lost Constitution is an impressive attempt to demonstrate that our written Constitution enacted into law a sweeping and highly libertarian theory of natural rights and limited government."

A limited federal government. That was the intention of the founding fathers.

You need to read Article VI, which clearly limits State governments, "notwithstanding" anything in their own constitutions.

Barnett apparently approves of the prevailing sweeping interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment, which gave birth to the federal leviathan, which has since encroached insidiously into all aspects of life.

The 14th has nothing to do with insidious encroachment. That's just a 'moral majority' hyped up position.
Majority rule politics is the real culprit in allowing Big Bro style government.

And anyway, when libertarian argument is distilled to its essence, even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs. That is the fire in its furnace.

I spoke to soon on libertarian bashing. Sex & drugs are just the favorite hang ups of authoritarian prohibitionists, those who ignore our Constitution.

14 posted on 06/01/2005 3:38:35 PM PDT by P_A_I
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To: JCEccles
And anyway, when libertarian argument is distilled to its essence, even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs. That is the fire in its furnace.

I agree that today that is what appears to be the fly in the ointment but go back 200 years, when sense of community was real and overwhelming when morality governed thought, language and "natural law" was understood. We still had many human ills that we have today but they were not accepted as the norm, thus A libertarian would not necessarily be a republican who likes to smoke pot and may very well be considered truer to our founding. What has really thrown things out of whack is the leftist/ Marxist attempt to subvert the overriding morality and sense of family using essentially libertarian type freedoms.....IMHO

18 posted on 06/01/2005 3:50:48 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: JCEccles
even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs.

Only in your mind; only because you want it to be that way.

Funny thing is that my L/libertarian friends are ardent 2A defenders, family men, and church goers, not at all interested in personal use of recreational drugs or what ever illicit sex you have in mind.

87 posted on 06/02/2005 6:01:35 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (BTDT got the T shirt, shot glass, shoulder patch, challenge coin, coffee mug....)
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To: JCEccles
A limited federal government. That was the intention of the founding fathers.

States have constitutions too. The founding fathers did not intend for a limited federal government with states have unlimited powers. Please see the 10th amendment.

And anyway, when libertarian argument is distilled to its essence, even the most lofty and calculated expression of it always seems to come down to these two things: sex and drugs.

Your understanding of libertarian thought is as expansive as your knowledge of the Constitution.
90 posted on 06/02/2005 6:10:40 AM PDT by Durus
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