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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Again I say, we don't need a Christian taliban in the USA....

Pssst... I'm an atheist... ad hominems are the art of the smear, typical Marxist, as you are...

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No, it is a PRIVATE RELIGIOUS ACT.

We don't need a religious Taliban in the U.S.A. inserting the esoteric pantheon of fantasies that establishing a religion, as with the idea of homosexual monogamy incorporated into law, is in any way a secular, biological attribute of human existence.

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You really can't find one rational, non-mystical reason for any of the axioms that make up your moral code.

I have no "morals." Again, morals and all of the associated concepts are from the belief some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Any atheist saying someone is immoral is no different than a preacher or rabbi saying I am a sinner...

I just gave you your non-mystical logic on that...

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Why as a matter of secular law, should homosexual monogamy be sanctified and exalted by government for reception of tax dollars, Social Security, tax deductions, etc.? It is an establishment of religion in the law (violating the 1st Amendment) since it is not a reproductive biological component of the human species.

Thou protesteth too much... (more Shakespeare)

Who is he that is not of woman borne?

Surely, the angel that thou must serve would have told thee... that thou was't borne of woman...

Sex Education, Biology 101:

Lesson #1... Human Beings are mammals

Lesson #2... Male + female = baby

Lesson #3... Female gives live birth to baby

Lesson #4... Baby is either male or female

Lesson #5... Baby becomes adult, finds a mate of opposite sex

Lesson #6... It all starts over with Lesson #2

I'll de-mystify it for you in more basic terms...

114 posted on 06/04/2005 8:41:54 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Pssst... I'm an atheist... ad hominems are the art of the smear, typical Marxist, as you are... "

I don't believe in the government ownership of the means of production, so I am not a Marxist. I am a capitalist. Learn what words mean before you use them. You on the other hand believe in government control of other people's property (in this case, their bodies), making you a fascist. Not sorta like one, but a true fascist.

So you aren't claiming a divine source for your arguments. That just makes them even more hypocritical.

"I have no "morals." Again, morals and all of the associated concepts are from the belief some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Any atheist saying someone is immoral is no different than a preacher or rabbi saying I am a sinner"

Our reason is where we get our moral concepts from. If as you say, you have no morality, where DO you get idea that anything is *perverse* or *against nature*? Certainly not from biology. Homosexual acts are common among almost every species. The function of homosexual sex acts in humans is to give pleasure to oneself and to someone else. There is more than one purpose to sex acts, and more than one function for our anatomy. What you are saying is ONLY vaginal intercourse is to be allowed. Clearly anything else two adults do to each other will not result in a baby. Please enlighten us as to what acts, specifically, you think are to be allowed. Oral? Finger penetration? Use of nipples as an erotic zone? Caressing?

"I just gave you your non-mystical logic on that"

No, you gave a non-rational appeal to amorality. You did not say where your beliefs come from.

"Why as a matter of secular law, should homosexual monogamy be sanctified and exalted by government for reception of tax dollars, Social Security, tax deductions, etc.? It is an establishment of religion in the law (violating the 1st Amendment) since it is not a reproductive biological component of the human species. "

Because it is a religious rite and therefore outside the bounds of state interference, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone's life, liberty, or property. It does none of these things, no more than heterosexual marriage (i think ALL marriage should be outside of state control; no licenses, and so on).

"Thou protesteth too much... (more Shakespeare) "

I knew. Your implication is that I am gay and am just trying to justify my actions. I am not. I find gay sex acts disgusting. All that means though is I am not gay. If I was born gay I would have no aesthetic problem with gay sex. Your ad hominem attack does nothing for your argument.

"Who is he that is not of woman borne?

Surely, the angel that thou must serve would have told thee... that thou was't borne of woman...

Sex Education, Biology 101:

Lesson #1... Human Beings are mammals

Lesson #2... Male + female = baby

Lesson #3... Female gives live birth to baby

Lesson #4... Baby is either male or female

Lesson #5... Baby becomes adult, finds a mate of opposite sex

Lesson #6... It all starts over with Lesson #2

I'll de-mystify it for you in more basic terms..."

I am aware how babies are made. I knew what the answer was, but it is STILL completely irrelevant to the point at hand. It's your obsession, not mine.

So you are not a Christian taliban. You are a secular taliban. No real difference.
117 posted on 06/04/2005 9:17:26 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (There is a grandeur in this view of life....)
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