Dairy gets squeezed by the feds

The Seattle Times ^ | 1 June, 2005 | Danny Westneat

[Jason_b]

bump

[eastforker]

As a matter of fact many would starve, understand not all people have the incentive or the ability to plan their future, that why we have jobs that pay min. wage. With your way of thinking every one should make the same wages so every one could afford what they need.There are many that would like to take their SS donations and put it into their own retirement plan. There are others with no self confidence to do so. Thats what makes this country so great, you can excel if you want to or you can live a mediocre existence depending on what someone will pay you.

[goodnesswins]

Hey....I just looked at your profile page.....did you move to King County already? Have you figured out which is MORE liberal, Bellingham or King County.....

Thanks for posting this.....I'm a 3rd generation native of King County (well, took 12 years off, in Oregon)....and LOVE the Smith Brothers Milk Trucks I still see running around.....the Valley is fast becoming CEMENTED for the future, but Smith Farms still survives....and smells...LOL.

[Paul C. Jesup]

As a matter of fact many would starve, understand not all people have the incentive or the ability to plan their future, that why we have jobs that pay min.

I have incentive and ability, but because of the socialism you support, I am going to be paying off YOUR debts until I am in the grave, I have no bright future because of you and the socialism you push.

So I say better them (including you) to starve, than me.

It is you who should reap what you have sowed, NOT me.

[cyborg]

amen brother!

[eastforker]

Let me put it in simple terms for you, when imported oil was cheap, drilling in this country was almost zilch. Why, decause the cost to drill was as much as the return. Now that oil is at an all time high every drilling rig in this country is drilling for oil. Not a problem the rigs when not being used are stored and used when it becomes advantageous to use them. Now, if the farmer was not subsidised and it was a free market and we allowed cheap imports of food, the farmer would soon go out of business since there would be little or no profit. No problem you say, well five years later because of disaster war or other reasons the imports stop, you cant just pull cows, pigs, farm equipment out of storage and start farming. It would take years to get our food supply up to where it would need to be. This is not a socialist idea, it is a security issue and our survival as a country could depend on it.

[Radigan]

Please enlighten us....what is the exact reason this milk company is going bankrupt?

[eastforker]

Sorry about the typo's, spell check is my friend, I know.

[jimt]

...what would you you choose that the USA has become?

One that you didn't list - MERCANTILISM.

Adam Smith defined it in "Wealth of Nations" inn 1776. Basically it's government manipulated by the fat cats for the benefit of the fat cats, while purportedly "free" and "democratic".

[Former Proud Canadian]

Cows bump

[Paul C. Jesup]

Let me put it in simple terms for you, when imported oil was cheap, drilling in this country was almost zilch.

No, the real reason we don't drill for oil is the envio-nuts in the EPA and Congress won't let us.

The price arguement is just propaganda.

[TrailofTears]

Unfortunately the feds fought and won this battle back in the 1890's concerning interstate commerce and farming. They don't have a ghost of a chance beating the govt on this one.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Please enlighten us....what is the exact reason this milk company is going bankrupt?

I don't know and I pointed out the author of the article did not include the reason. But the dairy industry gets taxpayer subsidies, so I stated that was a possiblity.

[eastforker]

No, like I said every drilling rig in this country is working, pipe movements is at an all time high. If you do not believe me google the nation current rig count. Being involved in the oil industry in the past I keep up with these things. Think what would happen to the price of oil and the supply of it if all imports was cut off. It would be a catastrophe. For one there are not enough rigs available to drill and even if we did there wouldn't be enough pipe because we have depended on imports for our supply. We can never let our domestic food supply diminish to the point that we could be in peril.

[Paul C. Jesup]

No, like I said every drilling rig in this country is working, pipe movements is at an all time high.

So are you saying it is cheaper to drill out in the middle of the ocean, two miles underwater and another mile into the bedrock, than to drill for oil in the U.S. mainland?

And I know for a FACT this is oil in parts of the U.S. that a LOT closer than Alaska, like the state of Georgia which has test wells from the 1950's and Utah: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1388012/posts

[eastforker]

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May 28, 2005, 9:04PM

Rig Count

Rigs drilling 5/27 5/20 Year ago
Texas 599 591 501
Alaska 9 8 8
California 23 27 21
Kansas 6 6 6
Louisiana 181 177 160
New Mexico 81 83 66
Oklahoma 151 149 163
Wyoming 71 71 72
U.S. total 1,331 1,315 1,169
Canada 271 267 195



Source: Baker Hughes



U.S. Gas 1,111 1,124 985
U.S. Horizontal 159 163 116



Source: Smith International



Rigs under contract
U.S. Gulf 131 131 116



Rigs under contract
Source: ODS-Petrodata

[eastforker]

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May 28, 2005, 9:04PM

Rig Count

Rigs drilling 5/27 5/20 Year ago
Texas 599 591 501
Alaska 9 8 8
California 23 27 21
Kansas 6 6 6
Louisiana 181 177 160
New Mexico 81 83 66
Oklahoma 151 149 163
Wyoming 71 71 72
U.S. total 1,331 1,315 1,169
Canada 271 267 195



Source: Baker Hughes



U.S. Gas 1,111 1,124 985
U.S. Horizontal 159 163 116



Source: Smith International



Rigs under contract
U.S. Gulf 131 131 116



Rigs under contract
Source: ODS-Petrodata

[Paul C. Jesup]

Footnotes without facts it questionable at best. Now either answer my question, or admit you are wrong by staying silent.

[eastforker]

Sorry about the double post.

[Safetgiver]

But Smith Brothers, no milk monopoly with just 1 percent of the market, would have to pay subsidies to its competitors that exceed the dairy's yearly profit.......It's there in the article.