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1 posted on 05/31/2005 11:07:33 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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Tomorrow


2 posted on 05/31/2005 11:11:01 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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3 posted on 05/31/2005 11:14:27 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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Read for later


4 posted on 05/31/2005 11:23:58 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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Am I the only one who marvels at the futility of Man as he tries to explain the origin of the universe? The time and effort expended upon this pursuit could be far better spent upon issues that actually lack an answer. Trying to find a new explanation for the cosmos via science is like trying to reinvent the wheel.

Ditto! All this pseudoscience needs to be defunded. Tax dollars spent on science should go to missile defense.
5 posted on 05/31/2005 11:38:40 PM PDT by Encendedor
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excellent; reasoned; balanced; thoughtful; humbling

I found it circular and trite.

If all matter originated from the explosion of a single unbelievably dense object (the Big Bang theory)… from where did that dense object originate? And if you explain the origin of that object, then one must also explain the origin of its origin! Do you see the flaw in the circular reasoning of those who deny the existence of a Creator? There must have been a starting point. A First Cause. A Supreme Being. A Creator.

So it’s absurd to believe that an infinitely dense lump of goo just materialized out of nowhere, but it’s nothing but logical to propose that an all-knowing, all-powerful, infinitely intelligent superbeing always existed because we say so.

Religion cannot trump science, and vice versa.

6 posted on 05/31/2005 11:54:40 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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There must have been a starting point. A First Cause. A Supreme Being. A Creator.

To almost quote Roseanne Roseanna-Danna, "There's always something...if it's not one thing, it's another."

What seems to be the likeliest story is that, to the extent that it's meaningful to speak of a universal time in the multiverse, there was never a time when there was nothing, a complete absence of physical being of one sort or another. And, from this perspective, if one waits long enough, pretty astonishing things can (and will) happen. It's likely that there was never a time when this wasn't true nor will there ever be a time when this won't be true.

Not that we'll be around to judge the matter.

7 posted on 06/01/2005 12:09:54 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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So if you're going to postulate that God created the universe, but that God himself is eternal, why not just skip the extra step and say that the universe is eternal? Logically it makes just as much sense and it is a much simpler argument.


8 posted on 06/01/2005 12:27:32 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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The scientific models of the creation all have to tiptoe around the 900 pound gorilla in the living room (metaphorically speaking) lest they give ammunition to the bible thumping half wits who believe that Moses received a direct revelation from the Great Creator and faithfully recorded that episode and that the text was faithfully transmitted by the Jews to the succeeding generations even unto this day. Scientist, as far as I know, do not claim to have communicated with God. Indeed, the premise of a Creator infuriates them. They, speaking generally, do not qualify as candidates to receive revelation from God. The concept that God communicated with man and explained his work and purpose is not easily dismissed by anybody seeking to know the truth.
9 posted on 06/01/2005 1:16:08 AM PDT by carumba
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For the sake of argument let’s assume that the universe happened by accident just as many so-called scientists claim.

Hardly got into the article and this glaring inaccuracy slaps me in the face..

I don't think I have ever heard a scientist say the universe just happened by accident..

Most scientists simply say they "don't know"... and leave it at that..

10 posted on 06/01/2005 3:17:49 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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let us not try to understand the block we live on, eh?


12 posted on 06/01/2005 3:24:25 AM PDT by Glenn (pardon the e.e.cummings look. a busted arm makes typing seem like work.)
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"The time and effort expended upon this pursuit could be far better spent upon issues that actually lack an answer. "

Convinced me to stop reading right there.

The problem with his argument is if God created it we can stop right there. I believe God created everything, but as a scientist I would like to know more. He has given us a great puzzle which we only have found some of the pieces (mostly the easy ones around the border). He wants us to fill it in.


13 posted on 06/01/2005 3:48:44 AM PDT by KeyWest
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Is dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality driving ersatz secularists and religious heretics to seek connection with something Eternal through a Universal Truth by constructing an idol out of their own vanity or conceit they label as morality? Is this a self-deceptive replacement of avoiding sin with a synthetic secular morality?

Is dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality driving ersatz secularists and religious heretics to seek connection with something Eternal through a Universal Truth by constructing an idol out of their own vanity or conceit in persuit of knowing the origins of life?

Is the paganist "Big Bang" theory admission the Universe is an Immaculate Conception?

The entire foundation of evolutionary theory rests upon the so-called "Big Bang," where DNA is the biological singularity - - is this another human and Aerial counterfeit for Creation and Immaculate Conception as just another fanciful idolatry?


14 posted on 06/01/2005 4:11:20 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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Trying to find a new explanation for the cosmos via science is like trying to reinvent the wheel.

We do we bother to learn to read and write? Why don't we let all the priests, clerics, and politicians think for us so we can be free to spend 16 hours a day working in the fields?

15 posted on 06/01/2005 4:18:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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Am I the only one who marvels at the futility of Man as he tries to explain the origin of the universe?

It all boils down to the question, "Why is there something rather than nothing?" That's a really hard question we may never know. However, we study the early Universe because it's so easy to do so with our current technology (perhaps God wants it that way). It would actually require more effort to restrain people, especially the smart and curious from studying the Universe.

18 posted on 06/01/2005 4:28:11 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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There’s no point in bogging you down in physics. We’ve all read the theories in high school.

So, they are teaching String and Supersymmetry theory in high school now, eh? This article reads like the puerile rantings of a guy who can't understand a subject and therefore automatically considers it "stupid".

21 posted on 06/01/2005 5:39:24 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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Am I the only one who marvels at the futility of Man as he tries to explain the origin of lightning? The time and effort expended upon this pursuit could be far better spent upon issues that actually lack an answer. Trying to find a new explanation for lighning via science is like trying to reinvent the toga.


24 posted on 06/01/2005 8:44:35 AM PDT by sumocide
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For the sake of argument let’s assume that the universe happened by accident just as many so-called scientists claim.

Stopped reading right there.
32 posted on 06/01/2005 10:20:49 AM PDT by newcats
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We may never know the truth - but for me and my family we believe we evolved and we believe that there are other inhabited planets in our galaxy and in the universe.


39 posted on 06/01/2005 11:38:02 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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bump for later


49 posted on 06/02/2005 4:05:59 AM PDT by aShepard
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