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Big Rifle A Terrorist Tool? [See BS's 60 minutes on the Barrett 50 caliber]
CBS ^ | May 29, 2005 | CBS Worldwide Inc

Posted on 05/29/2005 11:43:58 PM PDT by John Filson

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To: Lazamataz
I have an amazing nose for trolls, and I just have a hunch about this one. From my take on his postings so far, he's either a troll or a very liberal Republican. I could be wrong, but if not, they always out themselves.

So do I, Laz, so do I. In this case I think you were way too quick on the draw. My humble opinion ...

161 posted on 05/30/2005 8:21:40 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Bear_Slayer
The question remains: What if the president were a despot and the military chose to submit to his authority. It happens all the time in third world countrys.

Well that's what the Second Amendment is for, now isn't it?

You're not going to find a document that covers all contingencies guy. You can ask if G-d can make a rock so big even He can't move it, but it's not incumbent on me to take the question seriously.

I'm providing a reasonable, logical, rationale to preserve the utility and relevance of the Second Amendment for the individual American in a time when weapons exist that could permit a single individual to accomplish the destruction it used to take an entire army to accomplish. Take it, or leave it. Your choice.

That being said, the Second Amendment is a "spare tire." The Constitution is not intended to keep you going if you wrap your car around a pole.

162 posted on 05/30/2005 8:23:50 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Avenger
What impact do you think that might have on the airline industry?

If the missile owners are as well-behaved as the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a CCW/CHL, the impact would be essentially zero.

163 posted on 05/30/2005 8:26:23 AM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: Avenger; NY.SS-Bar9; Spktyr; Lazamataz
What about shoulder-fired missiles or mortars?

Are they covered by the second amendment?

I subscribe to the discriminating weapons doctrine. If you can control them, and if you're good enough to avoid intimidating your community while you practice, then yes, they should be covered.

When it's time to defend America against invading hordes -- or overthrow a usurper of our rights, you'll be grateful that a few of your more patriotic neighbors quietly agreed with me.

No one has a right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of intimidating his community, nor may anyone use arms in an intimidating fashion. Protecting one's community and one's self from tyranny and danger are the only legitimate uses of any weapons system.

164 posted on 05/30/2005 8:29:15 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: Farmer Dean

Wow! Ain't exactly a shoulder fired piece, is it? Wow!

http://www.thegunzone.com/people/lahti.html


165 posted on 05/30/2005 8:30:32 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: B4Ranch
Question

Why does the President ask for the Governors written permission when he requests the State Guard?

I'm not sure, but I do know the question is not relevant. I don't think the President consulted with George Wallace when he nationalized the Guard that Wallace activated to keep black kids out of white schools.

166 posted on 05/30/2005 8:32:13 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: 68 grunt

You could be right. I'll accept your feedback gratefully.


167 posted on 05/30/2005 8:32:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: papertyger
Your original statement was: No military force is allowed in the United States that is not subject to the President of the United States.

So what are you really saying?

A person can use the 2A to defend himself from a despot government, but once he organizes into a private army, he needs to submit to the POTUS or disband

Right or worng we gotta submit to the constitution; "It says what it says." /sarc

168 posted on 05/30/2005 8:34:41 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81 MM Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: ExtremeUnction
So, in effect, their gun laws exist in name only.

GLINOs?

169 posted on 05/30/2005 8:37:11 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: John Filson
See my post on this very topic.
170 posted on 05/30/2005 8:38:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: tarheelswamprat
How cleverly disingenuous of you, papertyger, to omit a critical portion of the relevant text...When not called into federal service, the Militia still exist, and they are not under Presidential command at those times.

Hardly. You can hang your hat on a distinction without difference if you want, but that doesn't constitute being disingenuous on my part. If you want to argue the platoon that answers to a captain doesn't have to answer to a general: knock yourself out.

171 posted on 05/30/2005 8:41:12 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I have read numerous times where it was posted in the local newspaper that "The Governor gave written permission for (a specific number) of State Guard members to be transferred to the Presidents command.

So, evidently somebody raised a fuss about it and now he's following the rules with his "written permission".


172 posted on 05/30/2005 8:41:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: Lazamataz

I guess I like to give 'em enough rope, y'know. I hadn't followed any of the other threads and you may be right.


173 posted on 05/30/2005 8:42:16 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Reactionary

No .50 caliber rifle was found at Waco according to trial records.
Our militray snipers use a .308 round for long range shots.


174 posted on 05/30/2005 8:53:07 AM PDT by hubno (hub)
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To: Iris7

From what the Marines I know tell me, it'a about 8" at 2000 yards.


175 posted on 05/30/2005 8:54:20 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Lazamataz

bttt


176 posted on 05/30/2005 8:55:05 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: Bear_Slayer
Right or worng we gotta submit to the constitution; "It says what it says." /sarc

Have you never heard the quote about the Constitution not being a suicide pact? It says what it says. I can choose to either abide by it or reject it.

I don't know about you, but if my wife were screwing the football team all that "love, honor, and cherish" stuff would go out the window. It's a deal breaker.

Why is it so hard for you to understand the founders gave us a pre-nup for this particular marriage contract: the Second Amendment.

177 posted on 05/30/2005 9:01:51 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: shellshocked

Citation?

Also, I should have put "legally-owned" in there....


178 posted on 05/30/2005 9:03:00 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Neither of the vehicles in the picture is an M1A1. That's a Bradley with the hatch open. The other one looks like an M113.


179 posted on 05/30/2005 9:06:05 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: papertyger
Hardly. You can hang your hat on a distinction without difference if you want, but that doesn't constitute being disingenuous on my part. If you want to argue the platoon that answers to a captain doesn't have to answer to a general: knock yourself out.

Another amusing strawman argument. I merely pointed out that what you stated in Post 126 where you said "No military force is allowed in the United States that is not subject to the President of the United States."is incorrect.

What you label as a "distinction without difference" is in fact a distinction specified by the Constitution itself. Now if you wanted to discuss the fact that our modern day application of this Constitutional provision has strayed from the original intention of the Framers of the Constitution, and that the National Guard of today is not the same thing as the Militia referred to in the Constitution, then we might have something to talk about.

180 posted on 05/30/2005 9:06:19 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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