Posted on 05/29/2005 1:12:07 PM PDT by Betaille
French voters have rejected the proposed EU constitution in Sunday's referendum, according to an exit poll. The poll quoted by French TV gives the "No" side 55% - in line with surveys published in the run-up to the vote.
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What the hell is with some of you people? Are you so damned caught up in nationalistic fervor that if someone even suggests that we may have once or twice done some pretty shady things (slavery ring a bell?) that you have to deny it until you're blue in the face?
I love my country, enough to have signed up (TWICE) to die for her if necessary, but I will NOT turn a blind eye to the darker chapters of our short history.
As far as starting the bloodletting, the Civil War wasn't exactly started by external influences.
We are the best nation on the planet, but we are not perfect. Deal with it.
Oh heck guy, I agree with you that they have a longer history in anything.
But we are one nation, not a dozen, and we took long scars in the days when all was against us.
We still do. They don't.
Well, that is certainly true.
And it is equally true that it was extended and exacerbated by foreign influences.
Also, as far as slavery is concerned that wasn't ended by foreign influence, either.
And I never said that we never did anything "shady," or not of the highest ideals, just that we don't need to ascribe negative traits to those things that I have posted.
Thank you for your service.
What the hell is with some of you people? Are you so damned caught up in nationalistic fervor that if someone even suggests that we may have once or twice done some pretty shady things (slavery ring a bell?) that you have to deny it until you're blue in the face?
I love my country, enough to have signed up (TWICE) to die for her if necessary, but I will NOT turn a blind eye to the darker chapters of our short history.
As far as starting the bloodletting, the Civil War wasn't exactly started by external influences.
We are the best nation on the planet, but we are not perfect. Deal with it.
Interestingly, your "once or twice" abhorrent atrocities (civil war, slavery, etc..) that the US committed has been corrected. Maybe, not soon enough for many. However, sooner than the countries that you care to defend. The US has clearly committed itself to "democracy" around the world. This is not a Conservative ideal. This is a Democratic approach as well. Look at JFK. He was one of the first Democrats to put Israel on the map as a country. The "dark chapters of our history" are a path that we, as a country, have not forgotten. Our laws say so.
I meant Dominique de Villiers, of course.
This referendum was about immigration and emigration.
The immigration of poor people from parts unknown, and the emigration of jobs to those same parts.
America is facing an identical crisis, with its own immigration issue percolating to become the issue that decides the 2008 election.
The French are afraid for their jobs, and rightly so, just as the Americans are with open borders, and rightly so.
The center right favors Europe and the opening of these borders. But the people do not.
The left is protective of jobs but has no vision.
Le Pen and the Front National are discredited for their anti-Semitism.
But de Villiers, not de Villepin, stood up and articulated the reason why France rejected this treaty. The big reason is fear of jobs, but he distilled it into one word: Turkey.
And this is PRECISELY what France needs. A man who really SEES the issue, sees the threat to jobs. Immigration and emigration are the issues that will determine the face of this coming century. Villiers (not Villepin) grasps this truth. Unlike Le Pen, his solution is not Kristallnacht, but rather, limitation.
That is what Chirac needs. He needs a Prime Minister who sees the truth and will give voice and a movement to the fears of the people, harnessing them for something positive.
Villepin can do none of these things.
"I meant Dominique de Villiers, of course."
There is no such person as Dominique de Villiers.
You have a choice between two French crap-weasels ,
One, Villepin, an effete Eurocrat élitist snob with no experience, whose only claim to fame is his one moment of glory trashing George W Bush and the US in the UN, and
the other, Villiers, an ultra Nationalist xenophobic twit who is a Monarchist.
Since Rudy isn't available, they should have gone with Sarkozy, a new breed of French politician, with the smarts, abilities, and experience to do a good job. In addition, he is pro-American, pro-Capitalist, tough on crime.
"I meant Dominique de Villiers, of course."
"There is no such person as Dominique de Villiers."
Choice is CRAP-WEASEL #1 Dominique de Villepin
or
CRAP-WEASEL #2 Philippe de Villiers
First: We need to be careful about constantly pointing out everyone else's faults while ignoring our own. I'd much rather we focus on making America as free from her own sins as possible before we go giving instructions to other nations that I couldn't care less about on how to run things.
Second: Some people here seemed to be putting forth the idea, regardless of intent, that anything Europeans have experience in, we have more. That's just silly. Like it or not, there ARE things Europeans have more excperience with, that's not a "defense" of Europe, it's just a fact. But to say this gets the idiotic reaction that you've somehow insulted America. For goodness sake, that's just pathetic and ridiculous. It neither diminshes nor demeans America or her people and if someone thinks it does, well, they need to check their ego.
Of course you are correct.
Phillipe de Villiers. Dominique de Villepin.
I believe this is what is called a "senior moment".
France needs Phillipe de Villiers as Prime Minister, because he understands that the issue of immigration (of workers) and emigration (of employment).
And of course M. de Villiers is not of Chirac's party. Nevertheless he is what is needed.
Dominiquette de Villepin has no political base and no ideas (other than that he is Napoleon's revenant, perhaps).
Villiers distilled the issue to its core.
In the American election of 2008, the candidate who understands that immigration and emigration are the undercurrent issue, and who makes them his (or her) platform issue, will win.
Damn - you are correct sir!
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there were many nations that outlawed slavery long before we did).
Would you like to revert back to (what century)?. This is what Lieberals would have us do!!
OK..Europeans have more experience in...the Euro?..Economy? Unemployment? Non comprende! It appears there is no clear agenda, period!
Like it or not, there ARE things Europeans have more excperience with
OK.....I can't think of one. Please enlighten me. We will disregard their consistent lack of economy skills.
Taken on the whole, we have NOT suffered through war as much as Europe. The reasons for said wars are beside the point. Why can you not accept this? It doesn't denegrate America in any way. Seriously, what's the big deal? So what if we haven't been through as much bloodshed as Europe? How is that a bad thing? We chould be thanking God for it, not being angry when someone points it out.
You are stating that we, America, have NOT suffered as much as Europe. We have suffered more. We willingly entered foreign soil to defeat Communisn for many nations. Most have forgotten the sacrifices we have made. If you count the extermination of many lives during WWII alone and the atrocities that occured. Think of the Holocaust. No, you probably don't. American lives were lost on foreign soil defending freedom for others. Think about that. A nation that fought and defended other countries for democracy. And Europe loved US then. They still do. What's the big deal? That, in itself, is a big deal.
OK..name one that is a Democracy! Or, that wasn't helped by the USA. Wasn't it Lincoln, a Republican, that abolished slavery? Didn't your buddy, Senator KKK Byrd, help to eliminate a few souls? The Democraps would like to pander to the poor and needy (me) that they can fix Social Security to. Dean, the leader of the DNC, already said that "Republicans don't make an honest living" verbatim. Democraps are soooo concerned with the poor. Ironically, Clinton suggested back when he was blowing Monica, the need to privatize Social Security accounts. All the Democraps and lieberal media were hooping and hollering about this and that it was HIS idea. Bush put it into action. Clinton was too busy with his social affairs to get anything done. And the left praises him. The war on terror?? Non-existent. He didn't care if Osama was a "hot potato" or not. Clinton was the absolute worst President when it came to Foreign Policy. Appeasment is his name. He is responsible for everything wrong today. Don't give me this crap about Bush led us into war. He wasn't in office 8 months when 9-11 happened. Clinton was there, with Madeline Not-So-Bright, for 8 farking long years. WMD is a lie, you say? Are you Syria-ous?
You didn't mention the "alleged" abuse at Gitmo. Why? That seems to be the news of the past week along with Jacko. Imagine, America a "gulag"..lol ..Some military personal accidentally mishandled the Quran and it has been front page news for days. "Sorry, I really had to piss in the hole and the wind was blowing east bound at 2 knots and I indirectly dribbled on your book."?? or "I forgot to put on my gloves before I handled the Quran"..or Jacko.? (Does any other country, in the WORLD, give it's captives their religious material?? No, they don't. And they EXTERMINATE them anyway.) Amnesty Intl is a lieberal donator. Is that what we are defending ourselves for?? What are these captives there for? OK...Let's give them all Lawyers...lol...no wonder we need tort reform! Geneva Conventions DO NOT APPLY to these terrorists. They are not an army of any nation. Wake up, Lieberals. You are anxious for the demise of America. I don't understand your thinking. You will be exterminated along with all of us if they use a biochemical weapon. I actually believe that you think your money and power will save you. lol. Stink bait.
First of all, don't EVER tell me what I am or am not thinking of. My grandfather was in WWII, he told me when I was a boy what he say. Yes, the camps too. Don't you dare take that tack with me. And I know full well about Americaqn lives lost on foreign soil. I served for 8 years. I have some inkling of what it's like to serve, thank you very much.
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