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French voters reject EU charter (constitution)
BBC ^ | May 30, 2005

Posted on 05/29/2005 1:12:07 PM PDT by Betaille

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To: MadIvan
Do you know what are the EU countries that require a popular referendum for ratifying the already "DEAD" Constitution?

Also I was reading few minutes ago that some EU super-bureaucrats were calling for other EU members to go ahead with the ratification/referendums despite the French NO. Do you think that EU super-bureaucrats are planning to cheat the rules and "impose" the constitution "forcefully" even if some members say NO?

121 posted on 05/29/2005 2:17:47 PM PDT by alwaysrepublican (When Passion Rules she never rules wisely)
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To: inquest
By "work," i mean become successful, obviously.

As to the Euro, I did not mean that that would happen overnight but in time. In fact I do not see how it cannot happen. A currency without a country? will not work in the end. The "Club Med" credit problems may in fact tip it over sooner rather than later.

122 posted on 05/29/2005 2:18:45 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Betaille
I think Bush should give Chirac a phone call now and ask him how his day is going.
123 posted on 05/29/2005 2:18:57 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Betaille

If Schroeder gets the boot it'll be interesting to see how the MSM will downplay his defeat.


124 posted on 05/29/2005 2:19:01 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: wolf78

Are you German?


125 posted on 05/29/2005 2:20:09 PM PDT by alwaysrepublican (When Passion Rules she never rules wisely)
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To: MadIvan

Is there a vote scheduled in Great Britain on this or was Blair waiting to see what happened with France and Holland first?


126 posted on 05/29/2005 2:20:26 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: bahblahbah

"I think Bush should give Chirac a phone call now and ask him how his day is going."

LOL!!!!


128 posted on 05/29/2005 2:20:48 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: bahblahbah

ROFL!


129 posted on 05/29/2005 2:22:31 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: MadIvan

This is a good day for Britain too. Now you don't have to be the bad guys and kill the EU Constitution. It is great to see Chirac lose like this and by such a large amount.


130 posted on 05/29/2005 2:22:42 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: Mihalis
I have mixed feelings about all this. A stronger Europe may be a good thing for America. Anti-American sentiment rose after the collapse of the Soviet Union because we were the only superpower left that everyone could hate.

You have a good point but I don't like to see sovreign nations lose their powers to Pro-UN socialists.
131 posted on 05/29/2005 2:22:46 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, it's because you don't have the votes to win honestly)
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To: bahblahbah
I think Chirac will be using the Ted Kennedy method of forgetting his troubles tonight.
132 posted on 05/29/2005 2:23:11 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Heartofsong83
It seems they rejected it because it was "too right-wing" yet we would have rejected it because it was "too socialist" for the Anglo-Saxon world...

Yes, many French on the political left see the EU constitution as too "liberal" in the classic sense of liberalism--free markets and abolition of tariffs across national borders as capital moves freely within the EU member countries. To a socialist, classical liberalism is right wing.

To others on what is considered the political right of French politics, they see the constitution as a threat to national sovereignty and all things French. So there is this strange and informal agreement between the nationalists on the right and the communists on the left to reject the constitution.

133 posted on 05/29/2005 2:23:47 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Betaille

Things that make you go hmmm, indeed.

I have no hopes of someone better than Jacque, but he's ticked me off so much I want him to tumble just for the pure joy of it. Ditto Schroeder.


134 posted on 05/29/2005 2:24:10 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: stripes1776

Nationalists and socialists coming together. Hmmmm.


135 posted on 05/29/2005 2:25:27 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

"If Schroeder gets the boot it'll be interesting to see how the MSM will downplay his defeat."

Here's my guess on how it will go: "German Prime Minister Gerhard Schroeder has lost his bid for re-election due to the failure of his capitalist economic philosophy. While he did oppose the US on some occasions, he was not considered anti-US enough.
Germany will now be governed by the reactionary Christian Democratic Union. Some are suspicious that the CDU is merely an american lap-dog, and will make Germany's economic crisis worse with their Trickle down economic policies that provide handouts for the rich at the expense of the country.
((((progress with interviews with various Socialist "citizens" that they claim are ordinary voters)))


136 posted on 05/29/2005 2:25:59 PM PDT by Betaille (Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries)
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To: MadIvan

Best news of the week.


137 posted on 05/29/2005 2:26:35 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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To: MadIvan
Blair is definitely going to scrap it - what's the point of us voting when France and the Netherlands have killed this awful document?

One would be concerned though that Britain might vote "Yes" on the theory that the French voted "Non".

What a comeuppance for not only Chiraq but Delors too. The joke now is that there are apparently a majority of the French who agree with the Thatcher Bruges approach on Europe!

And how sweet is it that after the West divided on Iraq that Bush, Blair and Howard are doing more-or-less OK politically while Chiraq and Schroeder have both been humiliated?

139 posted on 05/29/2005 2:27:07 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Forget Blackwell for Governor! Blackwell for Senate '06!)
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To: Bogey78O
It's not a repudiation of socialism or one-worlders. French workers didn't get their cut and told Chirac what they thought of it at the box.

It is such a repudiation, just not by the voters, but by circumstances. Socialism and one-worldism cannot survive the democratic process because there are too many interests that fight each other.

140 posted on 05/29/2005 2:27:55 PM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "ROFL!" -- Dan from Michigan; "Very well stated, AD." -- Diana in Wisconsin)
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