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To: P_A_I
You don't agree that the golden rule is "right"? How sad. Is that part of your 'supernatural' theory?

You think far too highly of yourself. You cannot read minds, neither apparently can you properly read texts.

I'm interested in how YOU claim to know that the Golden Rule is right. It is not self-evident. On the contrary, it is self-evident that what one random, meaningless collection of atoms does to another is meaningless and hence morally neutral.

Tell me a good reason for believing in the Golden Rule that isn't religious. No irreligious person ever has, yet they continue to believe in it. I would go further: they know that the Golden Rule is right, yet cannot mount a defense of it in terms of their worldview. This fact has implications.

94 posted on 05/30/2005 3:00:16 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: A.J.Armitage
A.J.Armitage wrote:

-- how can you claim to have explained morality in any sense, with or without the supernatural?

We all learn basic morality [the golden rule] at our mothers breast..

-- Don't bite the mammary gland that feeds you.

All other variations on morality follow.. Nothing supernatural about it.

Aside from your crudity, you leave unexplained why we have any reason to believe the lessons learned from our mothers are right,

You don't agree that the golden rule is "right"? How sad. Is that part of your 'supernatural' theory?

if both we and our mothers are merely primates evolved to fit a niche in the African savannah.

While its true that all us primates learn 'the rule', - you yourself demonstrate why we have so many problems with moral conduct. - To me it's self evident, - it's very immoral to bite the gland/hand that feeds you. 'Do onto others' is basic morality in my book.

Why do you object?

You think far too highly of yourself. You cannot read minds, neither apparently can you properly read texts.

Your 'supernatural' opinions on my personality are pot/kettle amusing. Get real.

I'm interested in how YOU claim to know that the Golden Rule is right.

Because it has worked for me, and for those I've known in my 68 years.

It is not self-evident. On the contrary, it is self-evident that what one random, meaningless collection of atoms does to another is meaningless and hence morally neutral.

That's a nonsensical, and quite a sad statement about your own 'philosophy'. What we say & do to "another" is what this life is all about, imho.

Tell me a good reason for believing in the Golden Rule that isn't religious.

Pure self interest in having a good life leads rational people to treat others as they would be treated.

No irreligious person ever has, yet they continue to believe in it. I would go further: they know that the Golden Rule is right, yet cannot mount a defense of it in terms of their worldview. This fact has implications.

Two bits you are so convinced of your position that you will be unable to rationally comment upon, or refute, my self interest answer to your question.

97 posted on 05/30/2005 3:29:40 PM PDT by P_A_I
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