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China's miracle in the desert is drying up
NYT ^ | 05/27/05 | Jim Yardley

Posted on 05/28/2005 5:56:03 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Amos the Prophet
In point of fact world population is declining as a function of self-control and of disease related to our inability to mobilize resources to needed areas.

This is being helped along by "sustainable development" policies put forth by the UN and adopted by countries, including the USA, around the world.

Sustainable development, the brainchild of the elites like Maurice Strong and ilk, and pushed by the global socialists, is an anti-human program designed to deprive the people of this planet of their life, their liberty and their freedom. One facet of sustainable development is the reduction of the world population to 1 billion. The path to this reduction is the limitation of water, and the halting of food production by modern agriculture methods and the forced adoption of organic farming which cannot possibly sustain the current global population of about 6 billion people.

Leaders from Green Cross International( Mikhail Gorbachevs little organization) have said that if you limit a family of 4 to 70 gallons of water a day, no more children will be produced.

By brainwashing people into the mindset that there isn't enough water, there never will be, and that storing water in reservoirs and dams is ecologically unsound, civilization will beat a fast retreat back to the good old days of medivealism and serfdom.

Think about it. Our EPA and our Department of Agriculture have all adopted "sustainable development" as their vision for the future. I don't believe the American people wish the death of 5 billion inhabitants of this planet earth, but so far they have done nothing to stop their government from participating in this anti-human agenda.
61 posted on 05/29/2005 8:13:13 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Joe Boucher

Yup, they have essentially condemned the Plumas snow pack and sent it south.


62 posted on 05/29/2005 11:14:04 PM PDT by tertiary01
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To: Amos the Prophet

Good post.


63 posted on 05/29/2005 11:25:28 PM PDT by ran15
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To: farmfriend


64 posted on 05/30/2005 3:07:15 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Parmy

"What are the other more valuable uses for water than to enhance life? Name two."

You're asking the wrong question. In an efficient market we would grow crops requiring lots of water in an area that naturally had lots of water.

The limiting factor is when the transportation cost for the produce approaches the incremental water cost. In other words, in a society like ours where shipping and rail transportation are relatively cheap, one would expect all the good produce in grocery stores even though it comes from great distances.


65 posted on 05/30/2005 5:43:12 AM PDT by labard1
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To: ClaireSolt

That is a terrific book, isn't it? Lots to mull over in that one. And I love trees. I've added close to 100 of them to my property in the past ten years but I've lugged around the hose enough during that time too, to be able to say that they haven't seemed to bring more rain to the midwest yet, LOL! ;)


66 posted on 05/30/2005 6:19:41 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Sustainable development, the brainchild of the elites like Maurice Strong and ilk, and pushed by the global socialists, is an anti-human program designed to deprive the people of this planet of their life, their liberty and their freedom.

Absolutely correct. Sustainable development is a catch phrase for the Marxist domination of global resources by elite government and quasi government forces.

Another aspect of the plan is so-called corridors in which human interaction between restricted residential areas will be connected by a road system. This will allow nature's true creatures to roam free across the land, despoiling at their pleasure.

This plan, in excruciating detail, is approved by the UN and is under study by most local, state and federal governments around the world. The federal and state preserve system here in the US are in part initial steps toward the completion of this plan.

This would put more than 90% of the earth's surface off limits to any nonauthorized human traffic. In reality this is easily attainable since only a small portion of the earth is populated by humans. It would, however, turn large tracts of local communities into severely restricted land.

The environmentalist movement is increasingly terrorist and anti culture. It is one more enemy on a list of evil empires.

67 posted on 05/30/2005 7:22:01 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE)
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To: WVNan
Reclaiming deserts by planting trees is so obviously the answer, I have to conclude that the powers that be do not wish to improve the environment by natural means. Google Megaflora Trees.

But then your destroying the desert environment! ;?)

The enviroMENTALists logic goes round and round.

68 posted on 05/30/2005 7:30:24 AM PDT by listenhillary (If it ain't broke, it will be after the government tries to fix it)
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To: labard1
You're asking the wrong question. In an efficient market we would grow crops requiring lots of water in an area that naturally had lots of water

I am no asking the wrong question. All you had to do was answer it. Furthermore, I know of what I speak. I live in the Yakima Valley in the central part of Washington State. It is a desert and because of the resorvoirs that our ancestors had the forsight to build it a very productive area.

Apples, pears, peaches, nectarines, apricots, plums, tomatoes, corn, asparagus, wheat, mint, potatoes and so on. And, that doesn't count the daries, beef, sheep and goats, plus all the people who depend upon agriculture in one way or another.

So, if the water was put to a better economic use as you propose(whatever it might be) this country would loose nearly one-half of its apple production, alone, that accounts for nearly 6 billion dollars, that are taxed, to the nation's economy. The limiting factor is when the transportation cost for the produce approaches the incremental water cost. In other words, in a society like ours where shipping and rail transportation are relatively cheap, one would expect all the good produce in grocery stores even though it comes from great distances.

This concept is incalculable.

First, no one I am acquainted would know what the incremental water cost is, and this includes Phd's from WSU.

Secondly, transportation costs are quite high, especially since fuel costs have risen and fuel surcharges are now applicable.

Thirdly, in today's world, rail only works for very heavy, nonperishable goods. It doesn't work for apples, pears and so on. The reason is that rail takes too long, so freshness of a perishable product , a necessary requirement, deteriorates. In fact, in year's past I have had experience in shipping by rail (and boat) and that experience was disasterous. The railcars were misplaced. By the time they were found the produce was running out the door, rottten. I have had the same situations occur with ships when dock workers refused to unload the cargo, for whatever reason.

Let me tell you, this costs a lot of money, insurance doesn't cover all the loss. And, this does impact the customer because they depend upon timely arrivals.

69 posted on 05/30/2005 1:33:13 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Lazamataz

There's always Spam.


70 posted on 05/30/2005 1:36:59 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Excellent news! Now, if we could just get extensive social and political turmoil...causing free traitors everywhere to lose great sums of money...that would be even better!


71 posted on 05/30/2005 1:38:37 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wow, the history in this region is unimaginable. Empires came and went with the China trade, the Silk Road itself, and the drive to find alternatives to it.

And not just goods -- it was the flow of information that built the such empires as Venice as much as the trade itself. Then, the Genovans and the Portuguese figured out a better way to the East, and found a new world along the way.

America has bridged several economic revolutions, and we're still on top. Few empires have survived even a single drama. We've gone from coastal to inland travel/trade, from there to rail and automobile, and from industry/manufacture to information/communication. And we're still on top.

Anyway, the way across the Gobi desert built many an empire.


72 posted on 05/30/2005 2:20:32 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"DUNHUANG, China

At the bottom of the mountainous dunes once traversed by traders and pilgrims on the ancient Silk Road, Wang Qixiang stood with a camera draped around his neck. He was a modern pilgrim of sorts, a tourist."

Dunhuang is the location of the 'Jade Gate' in the Great Wall of China, it's western most point. When you exit the Jade Gate going west you will be entering the deserts of the Tarim Basin. The bodies in ancient graves in that area are all Caucasian.

74 posted on 07/23/2006 5:26:23 AM PDT by blam
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