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To: jb6

You're not directly answering my question. My theory is that capitalism, entrepreneurialism and free trade are the cures for those ills you enumerated. Do you disagree with that? Therefore, I don't see how trade with China and the development of an entrepreneurial middle class in China are harmful to America. Does economic competition with China scare you that badly? What do you propose we do about it?


639 posted on 05/31/2005 6:50:49 AM PDT by jayef (e)
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To: jayef; A. Pole; Destro; GarySpFc; ninenot; neutrino
My theory is that capitalism, entrepreneurialism and free trade are the cures for those ills you enumerated.

I have one thing to say in response: Tiaiman Square. First, China is not competing with free trade, as a matter of fact, the only ones playing free trade is us, and we're paying for it. All other major nations are putting up various protectionist barriers: Japan, EU, China, India, Russia, etc. We are the only ones who aren't and we all know where our jobs are going. Sure, we have job growth: checked out where? Lower end (why DollarTree and other "Dollar" stores are posting record gains, since their primary growth sector, the $25,000 and below demographic is the one that grows the fastest) and government jobs. Uncle Sam is the biggest producer of jobs in the past 5 years, yup, more government, more socialism. As it stands, counting all levels of government, some 25% of the US work force is government employeed.

Further, while there is a middle class in China, it is trivial, compared to the billion plus slave or near slave labor. China by WTO rules is required to have freely organized labor, environmental and work safety features, etc. The WTO has given China sweeping access to various markets but they have failed to comply by any of the rules, while no government complains, except Taiwan.

Lastly by your standards, we should never have gotten rid of Saddam, or the Taliban, nor should we pressure N.Korea or Iran or anyone else. We should simply have free trade with them and all the ills will be solved.

640 posted on 05/31/2005 7:14:27 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: jayef

And by the way, the authoritarian powers that be in China, are not interested in creating a wide middle class. Why the heck would they be? Their competitive advantage is a near slave or slave work force. If salaries were allowed to improve, if China was not the world's biggest polluter (much of the smug ends up in California and we get to pay for it) why would anyone build in China to begin with? A chinese worker making 12 CENTS per hour can not afford to buy anything he is making. It's almost all export only driven.


641 posted on 05/31/2005 7:19:05 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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