Posted on 05/26/2005 3:43:28 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket
Bolton fails to get the 60 votes to invoke cloture. Dem filbuster is on.
Make them really filibuster!!!
Exactly. Its an emotional shallow statement by someone who hasn't given any of this much serious thought or is hampered by stupidity or both.
Hillary would have all conservatives residing in one of her newly created (American Gulag Facilities) and you would not pass go or collect 200 rubles. NSNR
Then either you or I have seen or heard someone misquote Graham, or he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I definitely read somewhere in the last couple of days that he said he would not vote for the option no matter how the people of SC felt about it.
I have read and seen so much about the situation this week that I can't possibly recall where and when I saw or heard it, but I know I did.
Joe got what he wanted, that nice little retirement for his one tour as a congressman. NSNR
Another profound thought from a clearly intelligent source.
Ursus is off the list of freepers to take seriously............ever.
I didn't think so.
This fight is not over, and it is not lost. The RATS are using every trick and deception in the book, and they will still lose.
We will end up with many more conservatives on the bench AND on the Supreme Court. The RATS are scratching and clawing to keep it from happening, but they will not succeed.
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Here's what I "dig"...and I quote myself:
There is nothing respectful about allowing someone to run roughshod over you
It sounds like just a warning to the Democrats to me. He could say the same thing about the President's other nominees, I reckon.
Exactly so don't allow it.
He noted it yesterday in remarks to Reid. Some of the more interesting points from yesterday's events, for FR record, follow.
Mr. REID. Madam President, while we have Senators in the Chamber, I wish to express, through the Chair, the appreciation of especially Senator Biden and Senator Dodd for the ends to which the majority leader went to try to resolve this issue. He spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get the information requested and was unable to do so. He did get information but not all that was necessary. I am disappointed that tonight we were unable to have a vote on Mr. Bolton, but it is not the fault of the Democratic caucus. We are not here to filibuster Mr. Bolton's nomination. We are here to get information regarding Mr. Bolton, information to which we are entitled. The people who voted against cloture--there were many--many of them will vote against Mr. Bolton if, in fact, he gets before the Senate. But most of the people here tonight are concerned about this being an issue dealing with the administration not giving us the information we want. That is all. It hurts their nominees. The administration has to be more forthcoming.
I hope that during the next 8 or 9 days the administration will take a fresh look at this and give the information to Senator Dodd and Senator Biden--most of what they want. They are the only ones who will see it. It will not be given to the entire Senate. They are not asking for information that may affect our country's national interest.
I hope we can go forward with the people's business. The distinguished majority leader told me yesterday that he was going to file cloture on these two judges. This is fine. We will work out a timely manner to complete the work on these judges and other judges. The Energy bill was reported out of committee today. The asbestos bill was reported out of committee today. There is a lot we have to do here, and we do not want this to be a divergence--the work we have to do is a divergence, but it is not the fault of the Democratic Senators that it is a diversion.
Mr. BIDEN. Madam President, will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. REID. I will be happy to yield to the ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee.
Mr. BIDEN. Madam President, I wish to make it clear to all my colleagues, speaking for myself, that I have absolutely no intention to prevent an up-or-down vote on Mr. Bolton. The issue here is about whether the executive branch will provide information which the majority leader tried yesterday and today to get, and which I think almost every Senator here would acknowledge the institution is entitled to get. We are prepared to not even ask that the ranking member and the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee see the information we have sought. I implore the administration to provide the information, and--speaking for myself, and I can speak for no one else, but I believe my colleagues on my side would agree with me--we are willing to vote 10 minutes after we come back into session if, in fact, they provide the information--information to which Mr. Bolton's staff had access but which they will not give to the majority leader of the Senate. There is no reason offered.
I want to make it clear, we are ready to vote the day we get back, the moment we get back. We are ready to vote immediately if they would come forward, meeting us halfway on providing the information. That is all.
I thank the Chair.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The majority leader.
Mr. FRIST. Madam President, needless to say, I am very disappointed with where we sit today. We have had an interesting week, a very challenging week, starting the week on one clear direction and then sidetracked a little bit to what I thought was not an unreasonable feeling in this body that we were going to be working together and that we were going to address the important issues to America.
John Bolton, the very first issue to which we turned, we got what to me looks like a filibuster. It certainly sounds like a filibuster, looking at the vote today, it quacks like a filibuster, and I am afraid, shortly after we thought we had things working together in this body again, we have another filibuster, this time on another nomination--not a judicial nomination but another nomination--the nomination of John Bolton.
It does disappoint me. We had an opportunity to finish and complete this week with a very good spirit. We are going to come back to this issue. As has been said by Senator Biden, as I have said, we are going to revisit it, but I think what America has just seen is an engagement of another period of obstruction by the other side of the aisle, and it looks like we have, once again, another filibuster.
I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Democratic leader.
Mr. REID. Madam President, everyone here should understand that it is now the 26th day of May. This is the first filibuster that has been conducted in this Congress, if, in fact, we want to call this a filibuster--No. 1, first one. We have not been doing filibusters. We worked through some very difficult issues we talked about here before--bankruptcy, class action, and a number of other issues.
So it is not as if we are looking for things to have extended debate on. We need to work together, and I think this week has established that. We are going to work together. But how can we work together when information is not supplied?
So I hope we will all slow down the rhetoric during the break. This is something that happened. This is part of the Senate. I repeat, keep in mind, this is the first filibuster of the year and maybe the last. I hope so.
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Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to executive session for the consideration of Executive Calendar No. 72, the nomination of Janice R. Brown to be U.S. Circuit Judge for the DC Circuit.The legislative clerk read the nomination of Janice R. Brown, of California, to be United States Circuit Judge for the District of Columbia Circuit.
CLOTURE MOTION
Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I send a cloture motion to the desk.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The cloture motion having been presented under rule XXII, the clerk will report the cloture motion.
The legislative clerk read as follows:
Cloture Motion
We the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, do hereby move to bring to a close debate on Executive Calendar No. 72, the nomination of Janice R. Brown, of California, to be United States Circuit Judge for the District of Columbia Circuit.
Bill Frist, Arlen Specter, Trent Lott, Lamar Alexander, Jon Kyl, Jim Talent, Wayne Allard, Richard G. Lugar, John Ensign, C.S. Bond, Norm Coleman, Saxby Chambliss, James Inhofe, Mel Martinez, Jim DeMint, George Allen, Kay Bailey Hutchison, John Cornyn.
Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate now proceed to the consideration of Executive Calendar No. 100, the nomination of William Pryor, of Alabama, to be U.S. Circuit Judge for the Eleventh Circuit.
The legislative clerk read the nomination of William H. Pryor, of Alabama, to be United States Circuit Judge for the Eleventh District.
CLOTURE MOTION
Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I send a cloture motion to the desk.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The cloture motion having been presented under rule XXII, the clerk will report the cloture motion.
The legislative clerk read as follows:
Cloture Motion
We the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, do hereby move to bring to a close debate on Executive Calendar No. 100, William H. Pryor, Jr., of Alabama, to be United States Circuit Judge for the Eleventh Circuit.
Bill Frist, Craig Thomas, Richard Burr, Pat Roberts, Mitch McConnell, Jeff Sessions, Wayne Allard, Jon Kyl, Richard G. Lugar, Jim DeMint, David Vitter, Richard Shelby, Lindsey Graham, John Ensign, Pete Domenici, Bob Bennett, George Allen.
Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the live quorum with respect to both cloture votes be waived.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
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Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that when the Senate completes its business today, it stand in adjournment until 2 p.m. on Monday, June 6. I further ask that following the morning prayer and pledge, the morning hour be deemed expired, the Journal of proceedings be approved to date, the time for the two leaders be reserved, and the Senate then return to executive session to resume consideration of the nomination of Janice Rogers Brown to be United States Circuit Judge for the DC Court of Appeals; I further ask consent that the vote invoking cloture on the Brown nomination occur at 12 noon on Tuesday, June 7.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.
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Thank you Gatorgirl...
That's the answer I was looking for. Apparently, there are a lot of government skooled posters here.
Now, can anyone tell me by whom and when the "filibuster rule" was changed?
Waiting...
And that includes my very own Senator.
btw, I believe Sen. Frist is continuing with what was planned. This fight is far from over.
Good stuff. Thanks!
LOL. I agree. Some of these homecomings may not be too pleasant. Might make for a whole new attitude upon returning to DC.
"I think the Dems need a lesson in hardball:
"Recess the Senate for a few hours.
Announce Recess Appointment.
Reconvene the Senate."
Motion to Reconsider: Brings under renewed consideration a question on which the Senate has already voted. Can only be made by a senator who voted with the winning side of the question (e.g. if the motion passed, can only be made by a senator who voted "aye"). Can only be made at the same meeting the vote was taken, but can be considered at that meeting or the next meeting.Because of the time limit involved, the making of motion to reconsider takes precedence over all other motions. The consideration of the motion to reconsider, however, has only the same rank as the motion to be reconsidered. For example, a motion to reconsider a motion to lay a bill on the table could be made while a motion to recess was pending, but it could not be dealt with until the motion to recess had been disposed, because the motion to recess has a higher rank than the motion to lay on the table.
Generally speaking, can be applied to most motions except: 1) when action has been taken that cannot be undone; or 2) when another parliamentary motion can accomplish the same purpose.
Can be made without obtaining the floor, but cannot interrupt a speaker. Is debatable whenever the motion to be reconsidered is debatable. If a motion to reconsider cannot be considered at the time it is made, a senator must "call it up" at a later time. Is not amendable and cannot be reconsidered.
If it passes, the motion to reconsider brings the original motion before the Senate as if it had never been voted on. Form: "I move to reconsider the vote on Finance Legislation 26."
"Is there actually a democrat currently standing at in the well of the Senate continually speaking hour on end?"
Under the current Senate rules definition of filibuster, such is not needed. But you knew that, didn't you?
I don't make the rules but I must live by them. At least in MY world.
I would like to submit the following to the Rank (not ranking) member of the Senate Democrats. Mr. Reid, what follows is the dictionary definition of "filibuster":
1.
A)The use of obstructionist tactics, especially prolonged speechmaking, for the purpose of delaying legislative action.
B)An instance of the use of this delaying tactic.
"http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Filibuster"
Mr. Reid. We, in fact, want to call this a filibuster. Further, we're blowin' this b***h up!
You misunderstood what you heard or read then, I can assure you.
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