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To: hobbes1

Oh come on, Pollyanna, stop denying the losses. This was a horrible deal when we could have had achieved an up or down vote for every nominee. We sold out when we had no need to. It was a completely idiotic thing to do, and was a win for the side that had nothing to offer in trade.


26 posted on 05/25/2005 12:26:48 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It was a completely idiotic thing to do, and was a win for the side that had nothing to offer in trade.

I understand your frustration, and while I also felt it initially, I've morphed over to a wait-and-see attitude. It could be that this coalition was the face-saving move that left-leaning RINOs needed to be able to support the confirmation of some (obviously not all) judges that we've held dear in our hearts.

I can also envision a situation where Rat opposition to a judge (or SCOTUS nominee) can be held to be unreasonable, and that gives face-saving cover to a RINO to invoke the nuclear option. He/she can go back to blue state voters and say, "Well, I tried to come up with a way to avoid this, and the other side just wouldn't live up to the agreement." I have no doubt that the President has put a LOT of pressure on RINOs, as much as he can get away with. Using McCain's enormous ego as part of this might have just been a great sleight of hand on GWB's part.

Perhaps we've seen the ability of Rats to shame our RINOs into siding with them gone for the rest of this Congressional session. I'd be happy with that, until we improve our numbers in 2008. Then, the RINOs might not even be relevant, if they manage to get re-elected.

35 posted on 05/25/2005 12:38:56 PM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; hobbes1
I think you have this wrong Ghost. The Republicans have 7 Senators that broke rank and so do the Democrats. The 7 Republicans kept Frist from his Constitutional option vote. The 7 Democrats keep Reid from his obstructionist tactics.

The litmus test really is what the Republican 7 will do should enough of the Democrat 7 break the agreement and join Reid in blocking another nominee. Will they agree that a nominee is extreme or will they return to their ranks and vote for the constitutional option?
57 posted on 05/25/2005 1:25:25 PM PDT by Dolphy
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