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To: Doctor Stochastic; js1138

I don't think self-organization is equivalent to self-design. As I understand it, the former is when a dynamic process is able to maintain or reduce its local entropy at the expense of its environment. The latter implies intent and choice.


2,299 posted on 06/02/2005 2:46:30 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa

That is correct as I understand it also. However, randomly generated cellular automata have a 1/256 chance (or better) of being a Universal Turing Machine, and thus can self-reproduce and can compute any computable function.

For that matter, there was a self-organized nuclear reactor in Africal some years ago.


2,304 posted on 06/02/2005 4:20:49 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: edsheppa; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; betty boop
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There is a tendency to equate self-organizing complexity with self-replication. As a metaphor, if the cells were only self-replicating, a fetus would look like a tumor.

Also, the emphasis in self-organizing complexity is on the "self". A snowflake, for instance, is not an example of self-organizing complexity because it is made structurally complex by external forces. For more: Syntactic Autonomy: Or Why There is no Autonomy Without Symbols and how Self-Organizing Systems Might Evolve Them


2,316 posted on 06/02/2005 9:37:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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