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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
The view that I've articulated in post #2198 neither provides for nor requires anything whatsoever beyond the physical properties of this universe, and I do not mean that they are supervenient either. There is nothing animistic within my assessment, and I consider the universe itself neither intelligent nor designed. If you want a principle that describes my view better than any other, then it is the anthropic principle that you're looking for.

You are free to delude yourselves into reading ID into my descriptions, but my viewpoint is the very antithesis of everything ID stands for.

2,276 posted on 06/02/2005 10:41:57 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv; betty boop; xzins; PatrickHenry
Thank you for your replies!

Intelligent Design: A hypothesis that given features of actuality are explained by an intelligent cause, rather than by an undirected process such as natural selection.

I was just fixing to say let's go ahead with the above based on the understanding posted at 2275 when I read ahead to the next post where you said:

The view that I've articulated in post #2198 neither provides for nor requires anything whatsoever beyond the physical properties of this universe, and I do not mean that they are supervenient either. There is nothing animistic within my assessment, and I consider the universe itself neither intelligent nor designed. If you want a principle that describes my view better than any other, then it is the anthropic principle that you're looking for. You are free to delude yourselves into reading ID into my descriptions, but my viewpoint is the very antithesis of everything ID stands for.

It appears we may need to define the term "intelligence" before moving along after all.

I’ve suggested we assign properties to the term and asserted decision-making, awareness and intent for my contribution. But there is another aspect of intelligence which may beg the question if we don’t clear it up now:

Some believe intelligence is fractal while some believe it is emergent. Others believe it is a combination.

I do not wish our definition of the intelligent design hypothesis to be prejudiced for lack of specificity as it would clearly beg the question when we get to the end (which I'm thinking will be your presenting a syllogism with an undistributed middle).

IOW, it shouldn't matter in any self-organizing complexity model whether intelligence is perceived as fractal or emergent. This would affect all the hypotheses: intelligent design, collective consciousness, panspermia/cosmic ancestry, or self-organizing complexity within the framework of methodological naturalism.

Dictionary

Fractal - Term coined by Benoit Mandelbrot in 1975, referring to objects built using recursion, where some aspect of the limiting object is infinite and another is finite, and where at any iteration, some piece of the object is a scaled down version of the previous iteration.

Cell Intelligence

Fractal Property - The structural property of an object that consists of self-similar parts. In other words, the parts are smaller copies of the object. So are the parts of the parts, and so forth ad infinitum.

more from wikipedia

A fractal is a geometric object which is rough or irregular on all scales of length, and so which appears to be 'broken up' in a radical way. Some of the best examples can be divided into parts, each of which is similar to the original object. Fractals are said to possess infinite detail, and they may actually have a self-similar structure that occurs at different levels of magnification. In many cases, a fractal can be generated by a repeating pattern, in a typically recursive or iterative process. The term fractal was coined in 1975 by Benoît Mandelbrot, from the Latin fractus or "broken". Before Mandelbrot coined his term, the common name for such structures (the Koch snowflake, for example) was monster curve.

Emergent Property (wikipedia)

Emergent - Emergence is the process of complex pattern formation from simpler rules. This can be a dynamic process (occurring over time), such as the evolution of the human brain over thousands of successive generations; or emergence can happen over disparate size scales, such as the interactions between a macroscopic number of neurons producing a human brain capable of thought (even though the constituent neurons are not themselves conscious). For a phenomenon to be termed emergent it should generally be unexpected and unpredictable from a lower level description. Usually the phenomenon does not exist at all or only in trace amounts at the very lowest level.

Cell Intelligence

Emergent Property - The phenomenon that the whole may be more than the sum of its parts ('1+1>2'). For example, flight is an emergent property of all the mechanical parts of an airplane: None of the parts can fly, but the whole of the parts can. Applying this concept to 'intelligence' one may claim that intelligence is an emergent property: ....the level of cell intelligence emerges from the intelligence of cell compartments.The level of organism intelligence emerges from intelligent cells. The level of intelligence displayed by entire populations emerges from intelligent organisms. The level of intelligence of an ecology emerges from the intelligence of its populations... and so forth.


2,288 posted on 06/02/2005 12:26:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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