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To: jwalsh07
Thae fact is, if you had said that Dawkins goes overboard, that he's virulently and intolerantly anti-religious, I doubt you'd have gotten much reaction except agreement. Claiming the 9/11 attack was a result of 'religion', as opposed one violent sect of a notably violent religion, is a gross oversimplifcation. Sure, promoting passionate belief in an afterlife is a tool to get young men to immolate themselves, but Dawkins, if he were applying the same degree of honesty to his social criticism that he applies to his science, would have noted that most other religions do not generate large numbers of suicide bombers, and so 9/11 seems to have been a result of Wahhabist Islam in particular far more than of religion in general. One could then go on, if one wished, to make a more moderate case that some other religions, including some sects of Christianity, have been accompanied by serious but not as extreme or vicious violence.

I grew up in England and Ireland. In England, in particular, 'stamp out' is used in contexts from 'stamp our racism', where they really might mean state action, to 'credit-card companies should stamp out deceptive practices', where they're referring to voluntary behavior. And everything in between. It really just means 'end' or 'eliminate', without any necessary condition of compulsion.

2,272 posted on 06/02/2005 8:26:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Funny thing is that at the end of the day, who cares if Dawkins is a marxist?

Einstein declared himself a socialist in his writings. Does that have any bearing whatsoever on his science?

2,277 posted on 06/02/2005 10:45:32 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Right Wing Professor
In England, in particular, 'stamp out' is used in contexts from 'stamp our racism', where they really might mean state action, to 'credit-card companies should stamp out deceptive practices', where they're referring to voluntary behavior. And everything in between. It really just means 'end' or 'eliminate', without any necessary condition of compulsion.

With viral diseases, stamping out means immunization of the host population. Perhaps this is a rude phrase to apply to an idea or a religion, but it is non-violent and, in our country, non-coersive.

I might add that the Soviet Union invested 70 years trying to stamp out religion by coersive means and failed utterly. Dawkins' phrase is unfortunate for its counterproductive tone and for its implication that some sort of active resistence to religion would be successful. Religions, by and large, feed on persecution and the perception of persecution. What offends them most is being ignored, as by science. What offends them most of all is competetive ideas that produce cool things like immunization from disease.

2,280 posted on 06/02/2005 10:57:38 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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