So, it would seem that PatrickHenry and Alamo-Girl may have irreconcilable differences, with a very poor mediator between them (my mediation skills usually amount to telling someone to f*** off!) Nonetheless, once Alamo-Girl replies then those items you raise could very well get reopened, because if we are to narrow the definition in any way then it remains to be determined to what degree it is to be narrowed. I am patient here; let's build us a 7000 post thread! =)