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To: Doctor Stochastic
Thank you for your reply!

me: IOW, the intelligent design hypothesis does not stipulate a designer - it could be any intelligent cause.

you: What would be an intelligent cause that had no designer?

There is no need to personify the "designer". The Intelligent Design hypothesis doesn't stipulate the designer at all and has no basis in theology.

I've offered three candidates for designer (intelligent causation): God, collective consciousness, aliens. I'm sure there are more, those are off the top of my head.

Collective consciousness is an example of a non-personified intelligence cause or "designer". In one view, intelligence (epiphenomenon) compiles and accumulates from the cellular level to the universe - a single consciousness. The basic notion is that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

In the top down view, the collective consciousness is timeless and permeates to the cellular level. Of course, the top/down, bottom/up can be combined as well without personifying it.

1,770 posted on 05/28/2005 10:36:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
In the top down view, the collective consciousness is timeless and permeates to the cellular level. Of course, the top/down, bottom/up can be combined as well without personifying it.

You will pardon me if I ask again for some evidence of collective consciousness.

1,803 posted on 05/29/2005 11:49:23 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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