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To: HiTech RedNeck
They professed to believe the tenets of Christianity.

Well, now. Threaten me with burning at the stake and I'll be a darn good christian too. Coerced testimony isn't generally considered reliable in a court of law, you realize?

Which makes metaphysical claims including that of special intervention in the physical world.

At the present moment, about half of all working scientists believe exactly the same thing, with no qualms because, as I've repeatedly pointed out, your protests to the contrary notwithstanding, many of them are christian, and most of them thorougly understand that science is NOT about the entire universe, just the parts it can easily gather evidence about, and even that's a little goosey.

I guess I made the "foolish" mistake of believing them when they say they did. I guess you want to find a mind dump somewhere to prove that they really did believe what they said they did.

I'll be happy to take that for a concession speech.

Here are your words that started this embroglio off:

Funny how "Humean" doubts didn't seem to bog down the experiments, observations, and conclusions of men who were unabashed Christians when it came down to metaphysics.

Followed by a gobsmack of smart remarks. Let me just point out something a little odd about this. What you are going pridefully on about here, is that christian scientists entertain no doubts whatsoever about their enterprise, whereas ordinary modern scientists do.

Does this seem like an exceptionally odd way to condemn modern science for its arrogant global self-assurance? it does to me--unless the agenda here is to make propaganda points for creationism, rather than sensible, consistent arguments one is willing to stand behind.

1,562 posted on 05/28/2005 10:39:37 AM PDT by donh
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To: donh
What you are going pridefully on about here, is that christian scientists entertain no doubts whatsoever about their enterprise, whereas ordinary modern scientists do.

Thank you for clarifying what you think I said. But it isn't what I said.

I'm challenging you whether there's any evidence that the question of just where the boundary between supernatural and natural lies, has impeded these Christian scientists compared to their secular counterparts. The lone bone of contention being macroevolution, and for many not even that.

1,567 posted on 05/28/2005 10:49:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: donh
Well, now. Threaten me with burning at the stake and I'll be a darn good christian too.

Huh? Not all the Catholics lived during the Inquisition. And then there is the Protestant take on the faith: the stake burnings there (unless you were seemingly a witch) seem to have added up to exactly one (Servetus, at the hands of Calvin). And even one was one too many, but hardly the threat you enunciate.

1,574 posted on 05/28/2005 11:10:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: donh
I guess I made the "foolish" mistake of believing them when they say they did. I guess you want to find a mind dump somewhere to prove that they really did believe what they said they did.

"I'll be happy to take that for a concession speech."

If you are saying that you can't buy the idea that Christian scientists believed Christianity and honestly thought it to be true, without seeing a study which proves it, well I cease my challenges in that vein (other apologists take up the torch well enough) but I do not cede the claim that they did. I just don't buy Science as Proof Of Everything That Matters (including that kind of matter).

1,578 posted on 05/28/2005 11:28:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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