2) Whether "collective consciousness" is a version of "intelligent design"..
me: Thats a tall order for a reply post and has been addressed already on myriad threads. In a general category, I would call it geometric physics (dimensionality, forms, etc.). More specific to life v. non-life/death in nature: information (successful communication), autonomy, semiosis, complexity and intelligence. If you care to specify which area interests you the most, Ill be glad to gather up information and post it later this evening. I have to be gone this afternoon again.
It can be a wide-ranging conversation and most likely will result in a lot of links and excerpts posted to the thread, so if you do want to discuss it we can move things along better if you narrow in on the subjects of interest.
Intelligent Design unlike creationism has no basis in theology at all. It does not specify the designer. The designer could be God, collective consciousness, or aliens.
Seems to me we ought to be debating the first sentence because, if we agree that Intelligent Design has no basis in theology at all, then we ought to be able to also agree to the rest of it since "no theology" means the designer is not stipulated.
No. Your logic is a fallacy in this form:
A not B; C not B; therefore C=A.
Wrong.
So, what we need to do is identify our questions. We've evidently agreed to at least the following:
Then we need to define our terms; the terms that require definition are the following:
Whether or not Intelligent Design has a basis in theology is part of the definition. More importantly, in order for panspermia or "collective consciousness" to be Intelligent Design hypotheses, then they must at minimum have design, and the design must also be intelligent.
That is the juncture of our disagreement.
If we resolve these, then we can move on to the third question (we can postpone the framing of it until that point in time).
So, the current step is to define our terms. Let's start with:
What is Intelligent Design? In other words, what makes a hypothesis an Intelligent Design hypothesis?
I will start by stating what is insufficient: Any proposed solution to any given objection to the modern synthesis theory of genetic evolution.
So, let's proceed from there. What is it that you think qualifies a hypothesis to be an Intelligent Design hypothesis?