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Gun Safety 101 Sparks Debate (in Arizona Schools)
FoxNews ^ | May 25, 2005 | FoxNews

Posted on 05/24/2005 10:42:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Arizona schools have added a fourth "R" to reading, writing and arithmetic — rifles.

Students who choose to enroll in this new course learn the safe way to handle a gun and earn one credit — the equivalent to ceramics or photography electives. Critics are gunning the debate; they say handing teenagers loaded weapons equals trouble.

“We learn life skills, like when we miss [a shot], not to get mad. You learn a lot of cooperation with your team members,” said student Kim Peters.

And many parents argue they would rather their children learn how to handle a gun and be safe, than be sorry.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; curriculum; gunsafety; schools
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It's a great start. I think it should be a mandatory course in all schools. It teaches gun handling, discipline, and responsibility.
1 posted on 05/24/2005 10:42:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Excellent. Teach it in conjunction with American History and Civics.


2 posted on 05/24/2005 10:45:05 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Fun Fact: Did you know that NEWSWEEK has killed more people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile?)
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To: FairOpinion

I am ABSOLUTELY opposed to this! I cannot rely on govmint schools to teach my child math, how can I allow them to teach my child gun safety? Just like Character Education, this is a waste of my son's time.


3 posted on 05/24/2005 10:45:08 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: FairOpinion

I learned at a very young age. I started shooting at around 7 or 8 years old. I'm a total nazi when it comes to gun safety. I really lay down the law when i bring people to the range with me just like my father did when i was young. He is a retired Drill Instructor during Vietnam... you can imagine he taught me gun safety... :)


4 posted on 05/24/2005 10:45:40 PM PDT by Andrew LB (Another solder in the fight against liberalism.)
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To: SittinYonder

Relax, it will be taught by qualified instructors.

"Arizona's State Game and Fish Department said it will dispatch qualified, trained instructors to every school that signs up."


5 posted on 05/24/2005 10:46:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Relax, it will be taught by qualified instructors.

That's what they said about the math teachers.

6 posted on 05/24/2005 10:48:05 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: eyespysomething

Gun safety being taught in govmint schools ... whatcha think?


7 posted on 05/24/2005 10:49:05 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Andrew LB
I really lay down the law when i bring people to the range with me just like my father did when i was young

And do you think a govmint instructor will do likewise? Like your father did, like my father and grandfather did, and like I'm doing, it's up to parents to teach their children some things, and gun safety is one of those things.

8 posted on 05/24/2005 10:51:19 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: SittinYonder

Yes and SEX education too!!! Now look at the moral filth they are teaching them!!


9 posted on 05/24/2005 11:02:28 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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Yes and SEX education too!!!

Exactly my point. We're told that some children aren't taught these things at home, and therefore it should be taught in the schools. Sex ed, character ed, drivers ed, and now, apparently, gun safety ed.

But then, through the courts, some Michael Nudow comes along and says his rights are somehow infringed because of the way (fill in the blank) is being taught. So the majority of the parents lose to a minority thanks to the courts, and next thing you know they're teaching the kids gun safety courses without telling them what a gun is or why you should be safe around it. Don't want to upset little Johnny and Suzie by telling them it might kill someone if you put it in the hands of an idiot.

Maybe it's an unrealistic scenario, but some things need to be kept at the house and out of the schools, and I'm tired of seeing the schools attempt to usurp my authority over my children at every turn. And that's what this looks like to me.

10 posted on 05/24/2005 11:12:31 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: FairOpinion

"The one weapon every man, soldier, sailor, or airman should be able to use effectively is the rifle."
-President Dwight D. Eisenhower


11 posted on 05/24/2005 11:13:05 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, it's a FREE CALL)
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To: SittinYonder

You should like this then:

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=954


12 posted on 05/24/2005 11:16:10 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: SittinYonder
It's possible that not all government schools are staffed by moonbat leftists or zero-tolerance nitwits.

It'd probably be helpful to encourage the ones that are still governed by common sense.

Somehow the "govmint schools" in Annapolis, West Point, and King's Point manage pretty well.

Just my opinion.
13 posted on 05/24/2005 11:22:35 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Fascinating. I've only had time to browse, but this is very similar to what I've said on these boards many times - we're losing the Cold War because we are confused (today) about what we are fighting. We weren't fighting the Soviets, as many seem to think. We are fighting the ideas of communism, and when the Berlin Wall came tumbling down, it unleashed a flood of socialism and communism that has swept Europe and threatens to soak the United States.

I look forward to reading this tomorrow evening when I'm not supposed to be working. Thank you.


14 posted on 05/24/2005 11:22:54 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Those that you mention are not govmint schools. They are military schools. There is a huge difference and you should know that.

If you think it's a good idea to allow your children to learn gun training from your local govmint school system, have fun with that and let me know how it turns out.

It's possible that not all government schools are staffed by moonbat leftists or zero-tolerance nitwits.

Are you certain this is the position you want to take?

15 posted on 05/24/2005 11:26:17 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Teach it in conjunction with American History and Civics

Two more things to add to my list of things that shouldn't be left to the school systems to teach.

Excellent.

I'm not trying to pick fights tonight, but it is so obvious to me that this is exactly opposite of excellent. I hope you'll give some serious consideration to how much authority and responsibility for our children we have already (as a society) turned over to our government run schools and reconsider your position on this.

16 posted on 05/24/2005 11:34:27 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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Are you certain this is the position you want to take?

Yes, I am certain. You know that not all schools are NEA-sanctioned disaster areas.

The fact that a school system would even consider allowing a gun safety course should be your first clue that it is not the typical "govmint school".

Yeah, the Service Academies are military schools, but guess who oversees the annual appropriations and nominates candidates for admission? Congress. If those schools can do a passable job of educating their students, despite constant Congressional interference, is it not possible that some local public schools might possibly be worth a crap?
17 posted on 05/24/2005 11:38:17 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: basil; 2nd amendment mama

Bookmark bump!


18 posted on 05/24/2005 11:39:34 PM PDT by dbwz (2A Sister)
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To: SittinYonder
I hope you'll give some serious consideration to how much authority and responsibility for our children we have already (as a society) turned over to our government run schools and reconsider your position on this.

The problem is that public schools have been completely absolved of any authority or responsibility whatsoever.
19 posted on 05/24/2005 11:42:27 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: SittinYonder
My brother came in from shooting one day, his grandchildren were there, the 8 year old granddaughter said, ewww a gun, I hate guns, they will kill me. When he asked where she heard that the answer was school.

Which would you rather have them taught in government schools.

My State Rep was one of the co-sponsors on the bill, I had the opportunity to thank him in person this evening.

20 posted on 05/24/2005 11:43:07 PM PDT by c-b 1
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